Balancing issues in PVP

[LifeupOmega]

The crowd control is the only thing that kept veterans in check so new or weak players can play this PvP tho.
I certainly would say yes to have original DR system coming back, but do you realize you are going to see a lot of people crying tear flow into a reiver?

This is the Random Crits argument from TF2 all over again where a random crit might once in a blue moon kill a vet, but that vet will abuse the system much harder in turn. In FL, a veteran player in your average full rando game will rarely be in a position where they're going to be stunlocked into a death, as they'll play smart, get Battlehigh 5, and keep mowing people down. A new player will be much more likely to be out of position, hauled into the enemy zerg, and stunlocked, leaving them with no battlehigh, while the veterans can now continue to bully them due to the damage and healing discrepancy.

[Ransu]

The crowd control is the only thing that kept veterans in check so new or weak players can play this PvP tho.
I certainly would say yes to have original DR system coming back, but do you realize you are going to see a lot of people crying tear flow into a reiver?

How do you come even remotely close to a conclusion like that? Veterans are veterans because they know how to play, know how to utilize CC's and know how and when to break them and how to avoid them. Saying they keep veterans in check is a weird thought process to have.

[Divinemights]

How do you come even remotely close to a conclusion like that? Veterans are veterans because they know how to play, know how to utilize CC's and know how and when to break them and how to avoid them. Saying they keep veterans in check is a weird thought process to have.

I reach my conclusion based on personal experience on Primal
I am mostly solo on the frontline since Frontline exist (still able to do it post 6.1) and I can tell who is paying attention to DR and who is not prioir to 6.1
I judge my opponent based on their reaction and actual performance instead of the fake numbers on the scoreboard.
My definition of veterans are those skilled is CD management, burst, and situation awareness (buff, debuff, and DR,etc)
They don't need to be high on the scorebord, but these people are cores of a successful random frontline team.
These people are in trouble at 6.1 because now players is able to spend CC without worry about DR.
I do still beleived 6.1 did reduce the skill gap between veterans and normal players due to non-exist of DR.

[Mistress_Irika]

The problem is here is the amount of crowd control that in a match against 48 people is OUT of control. I literally have being imped like 4 times in a row without being able to purify, heal or wathever myself, and AT THE SAME TIME, binded, slowed etc.

This should not be possible.

While I do agree that you should not be CC chained by the same exact cc chaining should still exist regardless.

As far as having no diminishing returns is concerned majority has indirectly asked for this. People have asked for killing to be easier (while dealing with the healers), and the devs determined the diminishing returns had to go in order to satisfy people's need to kill. There's not much that can be done at this point. If you want me to be honest, I don't see any changes being made with that anytime soon, especially since there's a couple of threads floating about calling for the removal of Recuperate.

[Ransu]

While I do agree that you should not be CC chained by the same exact cc chaining should still exist regardless.

As far as having no diminishing returns is concerned majority has indirectly asked for this. People have asked for killing to be easier (while dealing with the healers), and the devs determined the diminishing returns had to go in order to satisfy people's need to kill. There's not much that can be done at this point. If you want me to be honest, I don't see any changes being made with that anytime soon, especially since there's a couple of threads floating about calling for the removal of Recuperate.

In the old system sure, but there's technically no more healers so it was a weird decision to move away from DR lol. I don't mind it personally, but I wouldn't be against it coming back either.

[Connor]

I definitely agree that the PvP kits feel almost entirely designed around CC. I want to say that they should do separate skill sets for CC / Frontlines / Rival Wings, but at the same time, I don’t think they could handle that level of work, so for now this is the best we’re gonna get lol

[Connor]

Website is being a total asshole on mobile so can’t edit my post, just wanted to add that by ‘they’ I mean the devs not the players

[Necrotica]

maybe my patience has run out but so much of this game just seems not worth the bother anymore

[Nubrication]

This post makes my brain hurt.

[Valence]

DR is still there with cleanse purify. Old DR was stupid and hard to track. I'd rather them to work with what we have right now, which is playing around the cleanse purify DR.