Did SE threaten to not make ultimates anymore?

[Raven2014]

Yeah and I’m not sure where you get the idea from that comment that every PF contains 7 other players using cheating addons, but no doubt in *some* parties people do….

And how would you know?

And even if you somehow know the other 7 are using add on, did you get kicked from that party, or know the reason you get kicked from that party?

Also, I have raided in PF since O1S, thanks.

So you would know the situation you "presented" doesn't exist. And if your example is not meant to illustrate an actually problem ... then what exactly the point here?
Either:

- This is what happened, and it happened often enough to warrant action.

Or

- It doesn't happen, and so it's not a problem.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't think presenting an extreme hypothetical scenario and pretend it's an actual issue then cite it as the reason real action should be taken ... make a very convincing argument.

And like other had said, while attention is brought up due to the high profile of the incident, none of this is new. Heck, fflog is far more widely use than any of the other pluggin (and for the record, I hate it and had often spoken against it), yet I struggle to remember when was the last time I see a party kicking someone for low DPS. The protection policy SE have in place to insulate the PF community from the kind of toxicity you present has been working very well.

[AlexaAura]

I'd prefer if they put less effort in to the Ultimates and focus on actual battle content for 99% of the player base. They make everything incredibly easy like the dungeons and alliance raids, or sadistically hard like savage and ultimate. The only real "balanced" battle content we get are the extreme trials every patch which is 1 fight. I'd love to see like a Minstrel's Ballad for alliance raids or dungeons as opposed to content for such a small niche.

[Thoosa]

And how would you know either?

My point is, if people are using addons in a group to help resolve mechanics for them and they kick someone else in that group who isn’t using any addons (e.g a ps player) for failing said mechanic it’s not very fair. They probably won’t know the other person is or is not using addons, but that’s not my point. It just creates a two tier environment with the advantage going to whoever is running addons which solve mechanics for them.

It’s not a debate about who might or might not be running addons.

[Raven2014]

And how would you know either?

I'm not the one who making claim on hypothetical non-existence issue, why would the burden of proof fall on me? Even so, my proof is what you claim does not really happen in PF, despite add-on has been around for YEARS.

My point is, if people are using addons in a group to help resolve mechanics for them and they kick someone else in that group who isn’t using any addons (e.g a ps player) for failing said mechanic it’s not very fair.

Hypothetically speaking:

- if Valve go belly up, I will lose all access on my vast and expensive game library so I should never buy game on Steam.
- an undetected asteroid can fall in my city, so I should be prepared for it.

Those scenario why can "technically" happen, anyone want to to claim "this is an issue" will have to provide plenty of proofs to convince me action on my part are necessary. And no, deflecting the question back to me "well, you don't have proof it won't happen either!" isn't qualified as proof.

[Thoosa]

Honestly I don’t think you get what I’m trying to say, I’m not looking for proof.

Not going to respond any more.

[Raven2014]

Honestly I don’t think you get what I’m trying to say, I’m not looking for proof.

ok ...

And how would you know either?

If there is another way for my to understand you, feel free to enlighten me.

It’s not a debate about who might or might not be running addons.

Funny enough, neither have I. Are you sure you understand me?

I never said people don't use addon, I only say it didn't create the issue you are hypothetically inventing.

[Rayne6665]

I got a question that i cant wrap my head around. The question is why would they use the mods for Ultimate or Savage difficulty or whatever? Can they not play the legit way? Whats the point of using it?? Play great game, win stupid prizes. If you wanna break ToS, you must be a dumbass. You cant fix stupid. Especially when those people livestream and showed it on twitch or youtube or whatever thinking they will slip by GM lmfao. How dumb are these “streamers”? Lol if i was on pc, i wouldnt even use those mods that show me where to go and such. I respect and agreed by FF14 rules and ToS and i dont intend to break them either.

[Midareyukki]

I never said people don't use addon, I only say it didn't create the issue you are hypothetically inventing.

It's really not hard to grasp what Raven was going for. Thoosa said

Just to give an example. If I’m trying to prog savage in PF and mess up a mechanic, but the rest of the group clear it because they are using mods to show them safe spaces etc, and they kick me because of it, that’s unfair and I’m at a disadvantage for playing the game as intended.

The keyword is that "If". It's purely hypothetical, yet the fear she expressed was based around that hypothesis. Does that hypothesis translate to reality? That's what never got answered.

If it doesn't happen, then this is an unwarranted fear.
If it does, then fear not because that's punishable behaviour.

And even if it does, does it happen often to warrant such a fear or not? Because if it doesn't happen often, then there's little need to be hung up on the prospect of it happening. And in a community that is very much against that sort of behaviour, GMs that shoot first and ask questions never, and a company that really just wants to have a nice non-toxic community, you'll find that there are plenty of things protecting you and that you can justifiably retaliate.

You'd sooner be in the clear for anything happening than they would. The general gist of using parses is, specifically because of the environment around them and the retaliation that they'd get if reported, that you don't ask and don't tell. If you feel like the person isn't up to par for you based on parses, turn them down gently and just find someone else, while giving them the chance to find some group that isn't as restrictive. And most groups aren't.

Usually if they talk about parsing at all, it's because people know eachother overall. If not, then they're really risking themselves to be slapped in the face for it.

[ForteNightshade]

I'd prefer if they put less effort in to the Ultimates and focus on actual battle content for 99% of the player base. They make everything incredibly easy like the dungeons and alliance raids, or sadistically hard like savage and ultimate. The only real "balanced" battle content we get are the extreme trials every patch which is 1 fight. I'd love to see like a Minstrel's Ballad for alliance raids or dungeons as opposed to content for such a small niche.

Savage leans more towards that balance category nowadays and is nowhere close to being "sadistically hard". Furthermore, Ultimate is almost entirely made using recycled content. Omega has a single new model and arena despite being a near twenty minute long encounter. Even the cut scene is the exact same one from normal mode. Euphrosyne likely cost far more in terms of asset and design than Omega did because nearly everything is brand new. So even if they did cancel Ultimate going forward, it wouldn't lead to much or any new, easier encounters.

[Raven2014]

And even if it does, does it happen often to warrant such a fear or not? Because if it doesn't happen often, then there's little need to be hung up on the prospect of it happening. And in a community that is very much against that sort of behaviour, GMs that shoot first and ask questions never, and a company that really just wants to have a nice non-toxic community, you'll find that there are plenty of things protecting you and that you can justifiably retaliate.

And if you look at how widespread addon use it and how rare it spilled into the in game community due to SE's policing ... I feel I can be bold enough to say this is probably one of their most successful policy.

Savage leans more towards that balance category nowadays and is nowhere close to being "sadistically hard". Furthermore, Ultimate is almost entirely made using recycled content.

Ultimate earns its place as the only content that you need a certain decree of skill to have a kill, no matter what (unless you bought it). Savage no matter how hard it appears to be in the beginning, has always been the case of resilience. It's something that with enough effort and time, you "eventually" will clear it, even if your skill floor barely improve at all.

Also, people who think Ultimate is pointless simply due to the low % of participation kinda miss the point of marketing. It's like saying instead of pouring million into marketing a company should spent all that money into improve their product instead. While that sounds like a good call, there are well documented, scientifically proven reasons for why companies spend large chunk of money into marketing. And frankly even if you gonna look at Ultimate as a marketing scheme rather than actual content, it's still one of the most meaningful way to go about it IMO.