Would you be opposed to SE implementing a program to scan for addons/parsers?

[Zebraoracle]

No, I am going to ask if they are cheating, and report anyone who admits to it. If nobody admits to it, I will have to go to fflogs and see if I show up on any parses and mass report all 7 of the players. Then it is up to square enix to find out which one of those 7 are cheating. At least one of them is without a doubt. It's not my problem to police their game. It's theirs. It's not an invalid report, since I don't have any way of knowing who it was when they don't admit guilt when prompted. They do deserve to be reported if they ended up cheating despite me asking for them to either leave the party or admit that they are cheating so I can leave if they won't. Either way, if I show up on a log it is proof that at least 1 of 7 people in the party were cheating.

Sounds like a personal problem with breaking rules and not opening up about it when you are asked about cheating by a peer.

It does affect me, I don't care that you don't care. The rules are what they are. Play the game for you, but don't break rules. Simple.

#citationneeded

[HikariKurosawa]

Weird how this thread went down from 88 pages to 87. Ban wave.

[Absimiliard]

[Zebraoracle]

You guys are wasting your time talking to it. Crying about the integrity of the TOS while simultaneously breaking the TOS by attacking and insulting people just proves it's a troll that's not worth serious replies.

[Absimiliard]

You guys are wasting your time talking to it. Crying about the integrity of the TOS while simultaneously breaking the TOS by attacking and insulting people just proves it's a troll that's not worth serious replies.

I mean, you right though. At this point I think I'm just curious to see how long before whoever scripted it realizes it's a bit too unpolished at the moment.

[HikariKurosawa]

There's no guessing, you people are defending cheating and attacking people for wanting fair play. Calling you a "bad person" isn't an attack or an insult. You say you don't care about other people's experiences, you are a bad person for saying that. It's not like it matters to you, you don't care after all.

[Zebraoracle]

There's no guessing, you people are defending cheating and attacking people for wanting fair play. Calling you a "bad person" isn't an attack or an insult. You say you don't care about other people's experiences, you are a bad person for saying that. It's not like it matters to you, you don't care after all.

#citationneeded

[Padudu]

There's no guessing, you people are defending cheating and attacking people for wanting fair play. Calling you a "bad person" isn't an attack or an insult. You say you don't care about other people's experiences, you are a bad person for saying that. It's not like it matters to you, you don't care after all.

Honestly bro, are u okay. Like as a person, everything okay going on at home. I ask this bcos usually fixating on such a non-issue and crusading against it usually means there's some underlying issue you don't feel like addressing.

[LianaThorne]

There's no guessing, you people are defending cheating and attacking people for wanting fair play. Calling you a "bad person" isn't an attack or an insult. You say you don't care about other people's experiences, you are a bad person for saying that. It's not like it matters to you, you don't care after all.

Wanting fair play is fine. I think it's reasonable to expect people to participate in official competitions (I know World First isn't "official official" but it's still recognized by Yoshi-P) without the use of add-ons. If people are caught using them in that capacity, swing the ban hammer.

But you do realize by reporting 7 people for every parse you find, you're ultimately sending out 6 false reports at the same time and will get smacked by Square yourself eventually for abusing the report function. Odds are the people you report won't even see a GM with how little they do about situations until they escalate/are mass reported by multiple people (like I said, they'd probably come after you for wasting their time and false reporting in mass amounts first).

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There's nothing wrong with numbers, we literally went through all of our educations looking at numbers in Math. They're not going to hurt you. The problem is people:
- parsing in low level dungeons because why (ya'll concern me)
- using parses as a way to shame/verbally harass people (there isn't an excuse for this and people who do this should face consequences)

If a group wants to gatekeep its members to those who can hit 90+, they're allowed to do that and there's nothing inherently wrong with that. It's the same as picking people to join your team like you would on any sport team or in-school activity (where you get the option). There's nothing wrong with having expectations of how your members should be performing and picking people who fit the expectations you have.

There are plenty of groups, however, that literally could care less about how well you can parse and just want people who will show up and stay regardless of wipes. You just gotta find a group that works for you.

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Plugins though ultimately aren't going anywhere as Square has started to integrate them into the game. I highly doubt we'll ever get an in-game parser but you really should be thanking the people who are making these plugins (like the buff timers we recently got in the party list) because it's helping to enhance the vanilla game for both PC & console users.

[UkcsAlias]

Plugins though ultimately aren't going anywhere as Square has started to integrate them into the game. I highly doubt we'll ever get an in-game parser but you really should be thanking the people who are making these plugins (like the buff timers we recently got in the party list) because it's helping to enhance the vanilla game for both PC & console users.

As a side note though, i think a certain nuance should be considered: Is it possible to obtain the information through screen sharing? If so, its generaly not a problem.
- If someone would have a capture card, that automaticly crops just that portion of the screen, and maybe even multiple sections etc. They could have streamed that information and display that on a 2nd monitor. With reliable delay information, that would have given the same info.
- Boss timers could be an HTML+JS page that are refreshed upon a button press. Sure, animations might not always match, but knowing key times can already assist. You could even make that tools act like a 9th teamspreak member and warn through that for the entire team. Its something that can be arranged outside of the game entirely. So again, a legit workaround.

If such information cannot be obtained using such workarounds, then its a problem. But tools that make such info more easily and reliably available are because of those workarounds less of an issue. And thats why it makes sense to add it in the game directly.

The main reason why 3rd party tools shouldnt be allowed, is because you cant see what they also do in the background that can still give an advantage.