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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazhar View Post
    You assume ACT has any impact on the difficulty of content.
    Why?
    Do you even know what it does?
    Maybe you anti-mod fanatics would start getting some credibility if all your attention wasn't focused on the most inoffensive of the bunch. (and crying about accessibility plugins of all things) The one even Square Enix thinks isn't that much of a problem as long as it's not used as a tool for harassment.
    There are zoom hacks, splatoon, cactbot, and actual botting which plagues the raid community, cheats that actually trivializes content but you can't stop talking about ACT of all things. What a sad joke.
    You are the ones trying to justify one addons, on my side there are no addons, you only use official software from square.
    I wasn't the one that said "At present, endgame content is tuned in such a way that not having access to this information would in fact make it virtually, if not impossible to complete."
    If you can't complete it its all for the best. That means eventually square will make the difficulty accessible to those that don't cheat and use add-ons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by solimiano View Post
    You are the ones trying to justify one addons, on my side there are no addons, you only use official software from square.
    I wasn't the one that said "At present, endgame content is tuned in such a way that not having access to this information would in fact make it virtually, if not impossible to complete."
    If you can't complete it its all for the best. That means eventually square will make the difficulty accessible to those that don't cheat and use add-ons.
    People: "Without this information being available, clearing raids will be harder."
    You: "Aha! So you can't clear without ACT!"
    People: "...I mean, I can just plot the Battle Chat log onto an Excel Spreadsheet. Would take more time, but essentially it's the same"
    You: "B-But you said no ACT right?"
    People: "Oy, world's greatest parent, do you honestly see ACT anywhere in our sentences? We're talking about the information, regardless of what organizes it."
    You: "So ACT!"
    People: "Bleeding hell..."

    ...

    Honestly, I'd teach my son how to read and have comprehension skills before trying to instill blind morals. Because this? It ain't it, sister.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midareyukki View Post
    People: "Without this information being available, clearing raids will be harder."
    You: "Aha! So you can't clear without ACT!"
    People: "...I mean, I can just plot the Battle Chat log onto an Excel Spreadsheet. Would take more time, but essentially it's the same"
    You: "B-But you said no ACT right?"
    People: "Oy, world's greatest parent, do you honestly see ACT anywhere in our sentences? We're talking about the information, regardless of what organizes it."
    You: "So ACT!"
    People: "Bleeding hell..."

    ...

    Honestly, I'd teach my son how to read and have comprehension skills before trying to instill blind morals. Because this? It ain't it, sister.
    If you are putting 3 months of your personal time on an Excel spreadsheet to try and go over the logs of one battle I'll commend your effort, as soon as you use and add-on, I'll report your cheating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by solimiano View Post
    If you are putting 3 months of your personal time on an Excel spreadsheet to try and go over the logs of one battle I'll commend your effort, as soon as you use and add-on, I'll report your cheating.
    I have genuinely no idea what people like you who proudly claim they're blind to any sort of nuance or rational thinking want to accomplish.
    If ACT didn't exist, people would probably develop browser applications (which technically doesn't break ToS as it's completely outside the game) where you could upload your battle log and do the exact same thing. It would just be a more annoying process for everyone involved, so what's the actual point? "Purity"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazhar View Post
    I have genuinely no idea what people like you who proudly claim they're blind to any sort of nuance or rational thinking want to accomplish.
    End of third party add-ons since it's forbidden by the tos, either it's part of the official software made by square enix or it gets banned.
    That's the goal
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    Quote Originally Posted by solimiano View Post
    If you are putting 3 months of your personal time on an Excel spreadsheet to try and go over the logs of one battle I'll commend your effort, as soon as you use and add-on, I'll report your cheating.
    I love how you pretend Excel wouldnt be a third party tool in that case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    I love how you pretend Excel wouldnt be a third party tool in that case.
    If it takes you 3 months to analyze one single fight, and it doesn't interact with the FFXIV official game in any way shape or form, like providing you real time data, I'm more than happy with it, because if nothing else it's already new patch time and you clearly haven't cleared the fight...
    Now if on the other hand, the Devs would update the game next maintenance with every single addon that exists, that would also be fine since it's now part of the official game, either way you are not breaking the rules.
    How hard is it to understand, do not break the rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by solimiano View Post
    If it takes you 3 months to analyze one single fight, and it doesn't interact with the FFXIV official game in any way shape or form, like providing you real time data, I'm more than happy with it, because if nothing else it's already new patch time and you clearly haven't cleared the fight...
    Now if on the other hand, the Devs would update the game next maintenance with every single addon that exists, that would also be fine since it's now part of the official game, either way you are not breaking the rules.
    How hard is it to understand, do not break the rules.
    Not sure where you are getting the three month portion. It might take a few days if you dedicated the time to it to analyze it, maybe longer for those who are bad at math/excel. That said, if ACT were suddenly not to exist, the people behind such things would likely do as another suggested and create a browser app/prebuilt excel sheet for you to just copy/paste the information into and get an immediate response. Sure, you can't see it mid fight but uh.... no one looks at that stuff mid fight. If you are looking at your parse during a fight in any game it means you aren't paying attention to the fight and there for reducing your DPS. Thus it would be used in the exact same way as a browser app would be, and said browser app would be completely immune to any 'anti-cheat' system or detection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vrankyl View Post
    Not sure where you are getting the three month portion. It might take a few days if you dedicated the time to it to analyze it, maybe longer for those who are bad at math/excel. That said, if ACT were suddenly not to exist, the people behind such things would likely do as another suggested and create a browser app/prebuilt excel sheet for you to just copy/paste the information into and get an immediate response. Sure, you can't see it mid fight but uh.... no one looks at that stuff mid fight. If you are looking at your parse during a fight in any game it means you aren't paying attention to the fight and there for reducing your DPS. Thus it would be used in the exact same way as a browser app would be, and said browser app would be completely immune to any 'anti-cheat' system or detection.
    Ok, thanks for educating me, since I have no idea how it works, i've only seen screens of it showing as an overlay like the in-game HUD. So it's a more refined way of looking at data, the same way you would look at the in-game recordings to figure out mechanics.
    Seems simple enough to understand and use if it was part of the official game like the recording function is.
    But until such time, it's a third party addon, breach of tos, and as such it's considered cheating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by solimiano View Post
    If it takes you 3 months to analyze one single fight, and it doesn't interact with the FFXIV official game in any way shape or form, like providing you real time data, I'm more than happy with it, because if nothing else it's already new patch time and you clearly haven't cleared the fight...
    Now if on the other hand, the Devs would update the game next maintenance with every single addon that exists, that would also be fine since it's now part of the official game, either way you are not breaking the rules.
    How hard is it to understand, do not break the rules.
    Oh now you're suddenly caring about nuance. No no no you gotta read the TOS.

    You may not create or use any unauthorized cheats, bots, automation software, hacks, mods or any other unauthorized software or hardware designed to modify the Game and gameplay.
    Read closely what that says. It's not just about modifying the game, it's also about modifying gameplay. And guess what, it wont take 3 months to analyze a fight. Someone is going to create some excel macro that can quickly read out the combat log (this isnt my assumption btw, that's yoship's). And guess what, discord is also a third party software that modifies gameplay.
    Stay your course or admit you're wrong.
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