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    Quote Originally Posted by Absimiliard View Post
    The burnout rate on it is pretty high already. Anything above those two - or releasing Ultimates more frequently, for that matter - would run the risk of driving a significant portion of that already miniscule portion of the player-base away from the content entirely.

    ...But you know, I feel like Dragonsong and Omega Ultimte in some ways might actually not be as ridiculous (relative to player skill at the time, which has definitely increased over the years) as pre-nerf Pepsi Man was back in Heavensward. That thing was the slayer of FCs. SE even apologized for it. One can only imagine what something that monstrously overtuned would look like with today's standards of mechanical complexity.
    Agreed. As someone who progged Dragonsong is currently progging Omega. While I do thoroughly enjoy these encounters for the most part, they are incredibly draining even on a lighter schedule.

    Despite the legacy of good ole Pepsi Man, he's still a step down from Dragonsong and Omega on the difficulty scale. Far closer than any current Savage tier but the big issue that stumped people way back then is gear gating. Funny enough, mechanic wise, Liquid Living is more complex than most of what we see nowadays sans Ultimate. He was ahead of his time in a sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa View Post
    What are you people afraid of square enix finding on your computers? PDF?
    In all honesty though, it is really weird how one extremely vocal and toxic minority of the community is holding the entire game hostage by saying they will quit if square enix enforces their ToS that you are legally bound to following.

    I think that all the damages caused to rule followers should result in compensation. Like, why is my experience ruined by rule breakers? I am following the rules because they are what they are. Why am I made to cancel my sub because people are bullying square by saying they will quit if cheats are disabled?

    They are losing subs either way, they should side with those who want to play the game for what it is, rather than those who complain about what is and change the coding of the game to suit their personal ideals/cheats.
    You failed to answer my question several pages back. How are you held hostage by what I or anyone else does? You even admit to playing the game primarily for the story aspect. So you and I will virtually never cross paths. In fact, I'd wager most of the people you've taken umbrage with will never be in a single party you're in just because we have differing interests. Therefore, I could be running around naked (without mods even) and you'd be known the wiser. So why does it matter what I do or even if I did have mods? Your "hostage" scenario is entirely of your own making. Neither I nor anyone else can ruin your experience unless you let us by concerning yourself with what strangers do.

    All that said, they'll lose far more subs banning everyone using addons than they will from people opting to quit playing because people they don't even associate with may or may not use them. Especially as most addons have no impact on actual gameplay.

    Quote Originally Posted by VerdeLuck View Post
    What's the point in me progging Ultimates for dozens of hours for a clear when I can just installl automarker, cactbot, and splatoon and clear in a day and a half? I get the same result, SE won't punish me, they sure don't even punish members of the press circuit who get caught using and benefitting from these, so why should I adhere to playing vanilla without addons? I wouldn't be opposed to having anticheat but without it and in the current situation why would anyone not install everything they can? it's not like there will be any actual consequences.
    The fact you're saying this tells me you've never set foot in any Ultimate. Contrary to what some people think, something like automarkers in Dragonsong has a very small impact. You still have to actually do the mechanic and know how Wroth Flame works. Otherwise, you're dead no matter what. My group opted for macros we each individually pressed based on what debuff we got. Having that process automated would have been convenient, it'd have been a fairly minor advantage for us relative to the phase itself. I certainly won't deny it's an advantage but nowhere close to what you're insinuating. Likewise, triggers calling out xyz isn't going to make you understand what's happening. Personally, I've never needed any nor do most raiders. In fact, a good chunk of people who do use them do so on reclears because they want to turn their brain off after progging the fight for weeks/months.

    Revealing hidden aoes is a whole different beast though. I'll grant you that.

    At the end of the day, the point to progging should be for yourself. I couldn't give a damn if someone wants to use all three of these programs or if they drop $1,600 on a pilot. That's their business not mine. It doesn't devalue my own accomplishment or the fact I put in the time to learn the fights and be good enough to clear them. I care about my own experience not what joe smoe is doing.
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    Last edited by ForteNightshade; 02-06-2023 at 02:55 PM.
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