Would you be opposed to SE implementing a program to scan for addons/parsers?

[Zebraoracle]

1. First of all, it isn’t only my way of playing the game. The devs of the game clearly don’t want players to use these tools especially in PvE, because they create an unfair advantage. So if somebody clears an Ultimate with these tools and apparently thanks to these tools, they have not cleared the content as intended by the devs. In a sense they’ve cleared something else.

2. Most of the time, what wipes parties in FF is not DPS checks, it is incorrectly solved mechanics or standing in an AoE. Therefore using DPS meters brings no value to the fight. Regarding other tools, like zoom hacks and mechanics solvers / announcements, I stand by my claim that people who need them, are not playing the content as intended and are missing the entire point of high-end content in FF14. Which again, is not about DPS, but about solving mechanics.

Lmao, there are many different ways of playing this game, that's one of the joys of an MMO. There is nothing wrong with people wanting to improve their skill level and ability to perform in the game. And until you pay other peoples' subs, you can get right down off your audacity and arrogance filled high horse telling other people how to play the game. You realize SE knows ACT and FFLogs exists and if they really wanted to, they could nuke them right? Really makes you wonder why they don't.

The absolute arrogance of your posts is amazing to the point between that and the fact that you're yet another account that comes here with a very low post count just indicates you're only here to stir the pot like so many others. You've all come crawling out of the woodwork and it's honestly hilarious.

[Midareyukki]

I know, I've read the statements. All I'm saying is that while they have to say they don't support them or allow them, they just don't care if you're using non-hacky plugins. Or at least if you're not going around advertising about their usage in-game, you're free to go. They know the backlash if they tried to prevent all plugins which is why they haven't made an "anti-cheat" yet,

Yeah, I know. I'm not disagreeing with you I just know how very stable geniuses in this thread like to be.

[Tulvi]

It is objectively toxic to not carry your weight in a cooperative setting. And the example you listed was not toxic. They gave a factual reason, left it at that, and mercilessly excised the problem player

It is only toxic if they do not carry their weight ON PURPOSE. Not knowing enough is not toxic. Do you really expect everyone to be on top of their game, even if they’ve never done high-end content before?

And I must disagree. Kicking somebody without giving them a chance to do better is toxic and incredibly rude.

[Bunnycake]

If anyone needs a 3rd party plugin that solves the mechanics for them to clear high end content, they are a bad player and clearly don’t have the skill level for that content.
Also if anyone needs to see their DPS value, they are not playing the content for the reward (which is a beautiful weapon), but they are playing to min-max.

If you need any of this to enjoy the game, then you are not only playing the game incorrectly, but also not playing the right game for you. This is not an esports game and we have no official leaderboards showing how long it took which team to kill a boss.
Addons for PvE content are not quality of life features, they are only an ego boost.

I don’t raid much, but when I do, I do it for the challenge, and not to circumnavigate my way around the challenge.

[Zebraoracle]

And I must disagree. Kicking somebody without giving them a chance to do better is toxic and incredibly rude.

Oh look at that, something else you're wrong about. You're allowed to remove anyone you wish from your PF party for any reason at all.
In Duty Finder, you may vote kick anyone for as simple a reason as "difference in playstyle".

[FireMage]

It is only toxic if they do not carry their weight ON PURPOSE. Not knowing enough is not toxic. Do you really expect everyone to be on top of their game, even if they’ve never done high-end content before?

And I must disagree. Kicking somebody without giving them a chance to do better is toxic and incredibly rude.

You agreeing or not is irrelevant. It was a factual statement. This is 2023, the internet exists. Ignorance and therefore being bad, is a choice. Like how you have chosen to be a bad

[JOsha]

Also since I do mostly only Extreme trials, usually the only DPS check there is the enrage

Exactly, they barely even qualify as a dps check, savage and ultimate dps checks are on a whole other level.

[Tulvi]

Lmao, there are many different ways of playing this game, that's one of the joys of an MMO. There is nothing wrong with people wanting to improve their skill level and ability to perform in the game. And until you pay other peoples' subs, you can get right down off your audacity and arrogance filled high horse telling other people how to play the game. You really SE knows ACT and FFLogs exists and if they really wanted to, they could nuke them right? Really makes you wonder why they don't.

The absolute arrogance of your posts is amazing to the point between that and the fact that you're yet another account that comes here with a very low post count just indicates you're only here to stir the pot like so many others. You've all come crawling out of the woodwork and it's honestly hilarious.

What has a post count anything to do with what I’m saying? I just rarely post on the forums.

And I’m not talking about different play styles or looking for something different in the game. If people do Ultimates for the gear, fine. If they do them for the challenge and don’t mind the gear, also fine.

All I’m saying is that they shouldn’t cheat their way to whatever they are looking for in that content.

Because if someone uses mechanics-solving / assisting addons to clear an Ultimate while doing it for the gear - they are cheating to get the gear faster.
And if someone uses mechanics-solving / assisting addons to clear an Ultimate but they are only interested in the challenge - they get rid of the true nature of that challenge by cheating with addons.

[Tulvi]

Oh look at that, something else you're wrong about. You're allowed to remove anyone you wish from your PF party for any reason at all.
In Duty Finder, you may vote kick anyone for as simple a reason as "difference in playstyle".

The fact that we have an option to kick players (no matter the reason), doesn’t mean we should jump straight to kicking them without making an effort to let them improve. Do you automatically vote to kick people from an Alliance raid if they fail a mechanic? I doubt it. All I said is that it is toxic to kick somebody WITHOUT giving them a fair chance to do better the following run.

[RobynDaBank]

1. First of all, it isn’t only my way of playing the game. The devs of the game clearly don’t want players to use these tools especially in PvE, because they create an unfair advantage. So if somebody clears an Ultimate with these tools and apparently thanks to these tools, they have not cleared the content as intended by the devs. In a sense they’ve cleared something else.

It's definitely an advantage to NEED AddOns to fix the Job the game's own developers broke and refuse to hotfix: see Ninja Mudras. I get it, Cactbot and AoE telegraphers really dumb down the encounter - honestly, people who use these and then shriek at you for not being an endgame player and still telling them how to play don't have a good leg to stand on - but there really is no denying that plugins can do a LOT that make the game fun and wondrous. There's one that always displays your location next to your World for example, and honestly I'm baffled that's not default. Can just open the Map, I know, but when small micro-problems like this happen it builds up. I've seen GShade and custom-pose screenshots, and I feel envious at times. On the one hand, you have the Cactpot solver. On the other, you have something that actually makes the countdown in-game not as awful as it is. OFC, who can forget the Viera/Hrothgar fixers? The world of plugins is huge, they enrich the game as often as they make it brainless, so if you want to go around angrily shoving the ToS and Yoshida's statements in people's faces, carry on with knowledge.

I encourage anyone wanting to engage in vigilante justice to understand how AddOns work, how open-source they are, and how they go past your average callout bot to better the game, fix where the developers messed up. "Know thy enemy" as is said.