Would you be opposed to SE implementing a program to scan for addons/parsers?

[Tulvi]

If anyone needs a 3rd party plugin that solves the mechanics for them to clear high end content, they are a bad player and clearly don’t have the skill level for that content.
Also if anyone needs to see their DPS value, they are not playing the content for the reward (which is a beautiful weapon), but they are playing to min-max.

If you need any of this to enjoy the game, then you are not only playing the game incorrectly, but also not playing the right game for you. This is not an esports game and we have no official leaderboards showing how long it took which team to kill a boss.
Addons for PvE content are not quality of life features, they are only an ego boost.

I don’t raid much, but when I do, I do it for the challenge, and not to circumnavigate my way around the challenge.

[Rolder50]

If anyone needs a 3rd party plugin that solves the mechanics for them to clear high end content, they are a bad player and clearly don’t have the skill level for that content.
Also if anyone needs to see their DPS value, they are not playing the content for the reward (which is a beautiful weapon), but they are playing to min-max.

If you need any of this to enjoy the game, then you are not only playing the game incorrectly, but also not playing the right game for you. This is not an esports game and we have no official leaderboards showing how long it took which team to kill a boss.
Addons for PvE content are not quality of life features, they are only an ego boost.

I don’t raid much, but when I do, I do it for the challenge, and not to circumnavigate my way around the challenge.

I'd like to point out the original thing that got people riled up this time was a player using a mod to zoom the camera out further. It did not solve the mechanics for them, though the zoomed out camera did help the solve the mechanics faster.

[JOsha]

If anyone needs a 3rd party plugin that solves the mechanics for them to clear high end content, they are a bad player and clearly don’t have the skill level for that content.
Also if anyone needs to see their DPS value, they are not playing the content for the reward (which is a beautiful weapon), but they are playing to min-max.

If you need any of this to enjoy the game, then you are not only playing the game incorrectly, but also not playing the right game for you. This is not an esports game and we have no official leaderboards showing how long it took which team to kill a boss.
Addons for PvE content are not quality of life features, they are only an ego boost.

I don’t raid much, but when I do, I do it for the challenge, and not to circumnavigate my way around the challenge.

Bold of you to assume you can dictate how one should play and enjoy a game.
Isn't it quite stupid that SE keeps introducing newer and harder DPS checks in end-game content but there's no dps meter in-game? At least not in normal or extremes but there should definitely be one in Savage and ultimates, if you keep failing a dps check in PF then everyone deserves to know because whom they're failing, ask them to learn their rotation better, if they refuse, kick them.

[Tulvi]

Bold of you to assume you can dictate how one should play and enjoy a game.
Isn't it quite stupid that SE keeps introducing newer and harder DPS checks in end-game content but there's no dps meter in-game? At least not in normal or extremes but there should definitely be one in Savage and ultimates, if you keep failing a dps check in PF then everyone deserves to know because whom they're failing, ask them to learn their rotation better, if they refuse, kick them.

No imho it isn’t stupid. DPS meters undeniably create toxicity.
FF: If a group fails a DPS check, everyone will try harder, because it’s not possible to see who is struggling the most.
WoW: If a group fails a DPS check, the one who has the lowest DPS gets kicked immediately.

Which game of those two do you want to play? After 10 years of WoW where I was afraid to even try raiding, I’m glad I’m playing FF instead now. DPS meters are not necessary at all and the day FF allows them, will be the day I quit FF.

You can easily pinpoint a low-performing player even without a DPS meter. Experienced players can immediately tell who doesn’t know their rotation even without a DPS meter. There’s no need to reduce group effort to plain numbers like in WoW.

[JOsha]

No imho it isn’t stupid. DPS meters undeniably create toxicity.
FF: If a group fails a DPS check, everyone will try harder, because it’s not possible to see who is struggling the most.WoW: If a group fails a DPS check, the one who has the lowest DPS gets kicked immediately..

Is that the fantasy you live in? Clearly shows you've never done any hard content in-game, definitely not via the PF at least. People just leave or complain if the party keeps failing a DPS check.

[Tulvi]

Is that the fantasy you live in? Clearly shows you've never done any hard content in-game, definitely not via the PF at least. People just leave or complain if the party keeps failing a DPS check.

I do Extreme trials in PF mostly. And I have never seen anyone leave because of a failed DPS check. Tbh, I’ve never seen anyone fail a DPS check other that enrage. 100% of my experience with people leaving is when somebody fails a mechanic, not a DPS check.

Also since I do mostly only Extreme trials, usually the only DPS check there is the enrage. If we fail it, no one leaves because we know we can do it as we are really close to kill.

I can’t speak for Savage as I rarely do them, because progging it requires a static and I’m not playing the game on a scheduled basis. So if there are more DPS checks in Savage, then sure, I can see why would people leave, but my personal experience from Extremes is that DPS check is never the reason to leave and I really never seen it happen.

[JOsha]

Also since I do mostly only Extreme trials, usually the only DPS check there is the enrage

Exactly, they barely even qualify as a dps check, savage and ultimate dps checks are on a whole other level.

[Hanaya]

I do Extreme trials in PF mostly. And I have never seen anyone leave because of a failed DPS check. Tbh, I’ve never seen anyone fail a DPS check other that enrage. 100% of my experience with people leaving is when somebody fails a mechanic, not a DPS check.

Also since I do mostly only Extreme trials, usually the only DPS check there is the enrage. If we fail it, no one leaves because we know we can do it as we are really close to kill.

I can’t speak for Savage as I rarely do them, because progging it requires a static and I’m not playing the game on a scheduled basis. So if there are more DPS checks in Savage, then sure, I can see why would people leave, but my personal experience from Extremes is that DPS check is never the reason to leave and I really never seen it happen.

I will say that savage dps checks tend to be far more punishing than extreme dps checks. as long as the party isn't dying left and right, it's very unlikely to see enrage in extremes (like I really never see it, either we wipe to mechanics or clear), but in savage it's a lot harder. I mostly play with a static, but if I'm in a pf and we're wiping multiple times to a dps check, I do leave the party because it's often a sign that we'll just be wiping to enrage until the lockout ends.

This is assuming it's a reclear party, though. If I'm in a prog party I don't really care, but joining a reclear party implies that you are able to do the fight consistently and do enough damage to kill the boss, so i think it's kind of fair to say that if someone joins a party with specific expectations, they should be able to meet those expectations. that being said, I don't really see people getting kicked for their dps blatantly. normally the parties will just disband, in my experience. I've actually never seen anyone call out another player in chat for low dps, only players that are consistently failing mechs that they should be able to do if they're in a reclear party.

[Zebraoracle]

If anyone needs a 3rd party plugin that solves the mechanics for them to clear high end content, they are a bad player and clearly don’t have the skill level for that content.
Also if anyone needs to see their DPS value, they are not playing the content for the reward (which is a beautiful weapon), but they are playing to min-max.

If you need any of this to enjoy the game, then you are not only playing the game incorrectly, but also not playing the right game for you. This is not an esports game and we have no official leaderboards showing how long it took which team to kill a boss.
Addons for PvE content are not quality of life features, they are only an ego boost.

I don’t raid much, but when I do, I do it for the challenge, and not to circumnavigate my way around the challenge.

This is one of the most ignorant posts in this thread lol.

Who are YOU to tell someone they're playing wrong? Who are YOU to complain about how people enjoy the game? Who are YOU to say it's wrong for people to enjoy trying to parse well? Who are you to claim your subjective opinion on the weapon appearance is fact (spoilers: I think almost all of the ultimate weapon skins are ugly).

Why do you think people raiding to parse aren't "doing it for the challenge"? Why is trying to be better at the game "the wrong way to play"? The sheer arrogance of this post to act like your way of playing is the only correct way of playing, good lord.