Would you be opposed to SE implementing a program to scan for addons/parsers?

[TheGrimace]

This thread got scary.

[Rilifane]

Fair by telling people pulling their weight to improve??? LOL what delusional world do you live in dear, EVEN if you are pulling your weight that does not mean there is not room improvements and you think that is unfair??? Complacency is that of the weak willed and the weak. Also you never know when you will need to pull more than just your weight to get a kill, Not everything is in your control so constant pushing to improve is something really most do, those who don't are a pain and will eventually be the hinderance to others you claim you can't predict suddenly a DPS internet randomly shits the bed but if your MAXIMUM you desire is pulling your weight then you will fail because your interest are just self sufficient and not enough to compensate for rare circumstances or emergencies when called up you should always strive to do the best no matter how unachievable it is, Also feelcrafty LOL most this rotation is common sense you don't need ACT for majority of it or Balance tips of keep your dots up, Always be casting these should be no brainers, ACT will help with some things like CD usage timers and Bard songs the exact optimal order to play them that im sure would be debated and i can agree ACT does help you know which would be best.

Also dear isn't ment as liking you is just a word here in the deep south but i must go get my child from school now so have a good weekend dear

Still missing the point, I see. Because you haven't really reacted to anything I wrote. You just made a couple of aggressive and condescending blanket statements and assumptions about me while happily beating a strawman.
Point me to the part where I said that somebody who is pulling their weight shouldn't improve. Go on, I'm waiting.
And now point me to the part where I said that I don't intend to do more than pulling my weight. Still waiting.
But telling people who are performing well that they need to improve just as much as people who are currently holding the group back is pretty much the worst thing you can possibly do if you want your group to smile a boss down. That is so basic I really shouldn't have to tell you. That's not how motivating people or keeping a group together works.

And since you yourself said that people should always try to do more and improve further, shouldn't you of all people recognize the use that Balance in-depth guides or ACT for getting detailed analysis, timelines and replays have?
Come now, ABC and keeping dots up is the absolute bare minimum and the lowest of all bars; that's the worst argument you could've chosen.
That is neither what ACT (or rather xiva) nor Balance is really for - nor will that alone make a boss topple over unless you want to wait for outgearing it and Echo for good measure.

[solimiano]

Still missing the point, I see. Because you haven't really reacted to anything I wrote. You just made a couple of aggressive and condescending blanket statements and assumptions about me while happily beating a strawman.
Point me to the part where I said that somebody who is pulling their weight shouldn't improve. Go on, I'm waiting.
And now point me to the part where I said that I don't intend to do more than pulling my weight. Still waiting.
But telling people who are performing well that they need to improve just as much as people who are currently holding the group back is pretty much the worst thing you can possibly do if you want your group to smile a boss down. That is so basic I really shouldn't have to tell you. That's not how motivating people or keeping a group together works.

And since you yourself said that people should always try to do more and improve further, shouldn't you of all people recognize the use that Balance in-depth guides or ACT for getting detailed analysis, timelines and replays have?
Come now, ABC and keeping dots up is the absolute bare minimum and the lowest of all bars; that's the worst argument you could've chosen.
That is neither what ACT (or rather xiva) nor Balance is really for - nor will that alone make a boss topple over unless you want to wait for outgearing it and Echo for good measure.

All of that is forbidden and banned, unless it's put on the official game, if people are not able to improve without those tools and only 100 people in the world clear the current difficulty the Devs will lower it to the level where you dont need third party tools to improve and clear, have you even thought about that?
The difficulty keeps improving because people keep cheating to clear, if noone or only a very small percentage of the community clears , they will adjust it...
So stop cheating.

[Delis]

All of that is forbidden and banned, unless it's put on the official game, if people are not able to improve without those tools and only 100 people in the world clear the current difficulty the Devs will lower it to the level where you dont need third party tools to improve and clear, have you even thought about that?
The difficulty keeps improving because people keep cheating to clear, if noone or only a very small percentage of the community clears , they will adjust it...
So stop cheating.

I don't see using ACT as cheating. It takes the battle log that is already available to us and gives us a more readable version of it. If I really wanted to, I could sit down go through the battle log with my calculator and figure out your dps for a fight. That information is already in my battle log, ACT just makes it easier to read.

[Zebraoracle]

I don't see using ACT as cheating. It takes the battle log that is already available to us and gives us a more readable version of it. If I really wanted to, I could sit down go through the battle log with my calculator and figure out your dps for a fight. That information is already in my battle log, ACT just makes it easier to read.

Bro don't bother. That player is clearly just here to troll and stir the pot, the TOP debacle brought out quite a few of them. They've already shown they're just here to troll a few pages back.

[caffe_macchiato]

Noone is saying you need it to clear a fight.

See below:

Anyone trying to do Ultimate content without a dps meter will never beat it, let alone clear the Savage tier required for it.

[solimiano]

I don't see using ACT as cheating. It takes the battle log that is already available to us and gives us a more readable version of it. If I really wanted to, I could sit down go through the battle log with my calculator and figure out your dps for a fight. That information is already in my battle log, ACT just makes it easier to read.

Then do that, manually calculating your parse is not against tos, and my time your finished we'll be in 7.0.
Using any third party app ia against tos, know the difference.

[solimiano]

Bro don't bother. That player is clearly just here to troll and stir the pot, the TOP debacle brought out quite a few of them. They've already shown they're just here to troll a few pages back.

Are you using that to defend your use of plugins? I'm not trolling I'm just repeating what the director of the game published, no third party add-ons, all of them are prohibited, no excuses, stop cheating, even if your colour blind.

[Midareyukki]

Are you using that to defend your use of plugins? I'm not trolling I'm just repeating what the director of the game published, no third party add-ons, all of them are prohibited, no excuses, stop cheating, even if your colour blind.

Did you just mistake him for me? He's not the colourblind one, I am!

Is this a "All Hrothgar look the same" quip? xD

[FireMage]

You clearly didn't, you just made blanket statements like "EVERYONE should improve then!" that are completely ignoring the actual question and make it seem as if you got it but you didn't.
Tell me: if you have a few people that perform really well and a few who don't and together they're not enough to beat the boss. How fair is it to tell the group that everyone needs to improve? Because you're telling the good players that are already pulling their weight the exact same, unfiltered thing as the bad players who are currently holding the group back.
Do you get it now?

Same as the point about how rotations are even made in the first place - not by feelycrafting your way through with "probably just uncomfortable". My point (the one you didn't get) was that everyone who ever looked up rotations either directly from Balance or from guides that copied them (which... pretty much every guide does) indirectly profits from ACT and relies on it in a way.
It's just that not everyone has the balls to admit it and prefer to live in their little fairy world where they are above such dirty things as parsers.

But by all means, keep trying to make it about "epeen" when I never mentioned that in any way. Maybe it helps you sleep at night, who knows.

Calling me "dear" already? I didn't know you liked me so much by the way.

It's a new player that has never done anything of worth, it's not worth wasting a post on