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  1. #1
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    Rilifane's Avatar
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    Esther Harper
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcg55ss View Post
    Fair by telling people pulling their weight to improve??? LOL what delusional world do you live in dear, EVEN if you are pulling your weight that does not mean there is not room improvements and you think that is unfair??? Complacency is that of the weak willed and the weak. Also you never know when you will need to pull more than just your weight to get a kill, Not everything is in your control so constant pushing to improve is something really most do, those who don't are a pain and will eventually be the hinderance to others you claim you can't predict suddenly a DPS internet randomly shits the bed but if your MAXIMUM you desire is pulling your weight then you will fail because your interest are just self sufficient and not enough to compensate for rare circumstances or emergencies when called up you should always strive to do the best no matter how unachievable it is, Also feelcrafty LOL most this rotation is common sense you don't need ACT for majority of it or Balance tips of keep your dots up, Always be casting these should be no brainers, ACT will help with some things like CD usage timers and Bard songs the exact optimal order to play them that im sure would be debated and i can agree ACT does help you know which would be best.

    Also dear isn't ment as liking you is just a word here in the deep south but i must go get my child from school now so have a good weekend dear
    Still missing the point, I see. Because you haven't really reacted to anything I wrote. You just made a couple of aggressive and condescending blanket statements and assumptions about me while happily beating a strawman.
    Point me to the part where I said that somebody who is pulling their weight shouldn't improve. Go on, I'm waiting.
    And now point me to the part where I said that I don't intend to do more than pulling my weight. Still waiting.
    But telling people who are performing well that they need to improve just as much as people who are currently holding the group back is pretty much the worst thing you can possibly do if you want your group to smile a boss down. That is so basic I really shouldn't have to tell you. That's not how motivating people or keeping a group together works.

    And since you yourself said that people should always try to do more and improve further, shouldn't you of all people recognize the use that Balance in-depth guides or ACT for getting detailed analysis, timelines and replays have?
    Come now, ABC and keeping dots up is the absolute bare minimum and the lowest of all bars; that's the worst argument you could've chosen.
    That is neither what ACT (or rather xiva) nor Balance is really for - nor will that alone make a boss topple over unless you want to wait for outgearing it and Echo for good measure.
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    Solimiano Fair
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rilifane View Post
    Still missing the point, I see. Because you haven't really reacted to anything I wrote. You just made a couple of aggressive and condescending blanket statements and assumptions about me while happily beating a strawman.
    Point me to the part where I said that somebody who is pulling their weight shouldn't improve. Go on, I'm waiting.
    And now point me to the part where I said that I don't intend to do more than pulling my weight. Still waiting.
    But telling people who are performing well that they need to improve just as much as people who are currently holding the group back is pretty much the worst thing you can possibly do if you want your group to smile a boss down. That is so basic I really shouldn't have to tell you. That's not how motivating people or keeping a group together works.

    And since you yourself said that people should always try to do more and improve further, shouldn't you of all people recognize the use that Balance in-depth guides or ACT for getting detailed analysis, timelines and replays have?
    Come now, ABC and keeping dots up is the absolute bare minimum and the lowest of all bars; that's the worst argument you could've chosen.
    That is neither what ACT (or rather xiva) nor Balance is really for - nor will that alone make a boss topple over unless you want to wait for outgearing it and Echo for good measure.
    All of that is forbidden and banned, unless it's put on the official game, if people are not able to improve without those tools and only 100 people in the world clear the current difficulty the Devs will lower it to the level where you dont need third party tools to improve and clear, have you even thought about that?
    The difficulty keeps improving because people keep cheating to clear, if noone or only a very small percentage of the community clears , they will adjust it...
    So stop cheating.
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    Mari Yumishi
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    Faerie
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    Quote Originally Posted by solimiano View Post
    All of that is forbidden and banned, unless it's put on the official game, if people are not able to improve without those tools and only 100 people in the world clear the current difficulty the Devs will lower it to the level where you dont need third party tools to improve and clear, have you even thought about that?
    The difficulty keeps improving because people keep cheating to clear, if noone or only a very small percentage of the community clears , they will adjust it...
    So stop cheating.
    I don't see using ACT as cheating. It takes the battle log that is already available to us and gives us a more readable version of it. If I really wanted to, I could sit down go through the battle log with my calculator and figure out your dps for a fight. That information is already in my battle log, ACT just makes it easier to read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delis View Post
    I don't see using ACT as cheating. It takes the battle log that is already available to us and gives us a more readable version of it. If I really wanted to, I could sit down go through the battle log with my calculator and figure out your dps for a fight. That information is already in my battle log, ACT just makes it easier to read.
    Bro don't bother. That player is clearly just here to troll and stir the pot, the TOP debacle brought out quite a few of them. They've already shown they're just here to troll a few pages back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zebraoracle View Post
    Bro don't bother. That player is clearly just here to troll and stir the pot, the TOP debacle brought out quite a few of them. They've already shown they're just here to troll a few pages back.
    Are you using that to defend your use of plugins? I'm not trolling I'm just repeating what the director of the game published, no third party add-ons, all of them are prohibited, no excuses, stop cheating, even if your colour blind.
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    Player Midareyukki's Avatar
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    Harun Asubra
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    Quote Originally Posted by solimiano View Post
    Are you using that to defend your use of plugins? I'm not trolling I'm just repeating what the director of the game published, no third party add-ons, all of them are prohibited, no excuses, stop cheating, even if your colour blind.
    Did you just mistake him for me? He's not the colourblind one, I am!

    Is this a "All Hrothgar look the same" quip? xD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delis View Post
    I don't see using ACT as cheating. It takes the battle log that is already available to us and gives us a more readable version of it. If I really wanted to, I could sit down go through the battle log with my calculator and figure out your dps for a fight. That information is already in my battle log, ACT just makes it easier to read.
    Then do that, manually calculating your parse is not against tos, and my time your finished we'll be in 7.0.
    Using any third party app ia against tos, know the difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delis View Post
    I don't see using ACT as cheating. It takes the battle log that is already available to us and gives us a more readable version of it. If I really wanted to, I could sit down go through the battle log with my calculator and figure out your dps for a fight. That information is already in my battle log, ACT just makes it easier to read.
    This is one of the most disingenuous points anyone could ever make. You can not physically do your rotation, and calculate the numbers flying on your screen with your calculator at the same time. You could not do this real time. It doesn't matter who you are. Stop making this cringe post over and over. ACT makes it realtime, ACT makes it automated, ACT makes it possible. Nobody in the world can do what you are suggesting. You can't do what you say you could "if you really wanted to". What a delusional remark that keeps being parrotted over and over for some insanely inappropriate reason.

    "ACT just makes it easier to read" lol. Cope with being a cheater.
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    Cordelia Emery
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    Quote Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa View Post
    This is one of the most disingenuous points anyone could ever make. You can not physically do your rotation, and calculate the numbers flying on your screen with your calculator at the same time. You could not do this real time. It doesn't matter who you are. Stop making this cringe post over and over. ACT makes it realtime, ACT makes it automated, ACT makes it possible. Nobody in the world can do what you are suggesting. You can't do what you say you could "if you really wanted to". What a delusional remark that keeps being parrotted over and over for some insanely inappropriate reason.

    "ACT just makes it easier to read" lol. Cope with being a cheater.
    Oh I get it, its called ACT because you can still "act" in combat while you're calculating numbers!
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    Mari Yumishi
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    Quote Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa View Post
    This is one of the most disingenuous points anyone could ever make. You can not physically do your rotation, and calculate the numbers flying on your screen with your calculator at the same time. You could not do this real time. It doesn't matter who you are. Stop making this cringe post over and over. ACT makes it realtime, ACT makes it automated, ACT makes it possible. Nobody in the world can do what you are suggesting. You can't do what you say you could "if you really wanted to". What a delusional remark that keeps being parrotted over and over for some insanely inappropriate reason.

    "ACT just makes it easier to read" lol. Cope with being a cheater.
    Of course you can't do it during a fight. No where did I say that. I am talking about after the fight. Which is where ACT comes into play. Most people don't pay attention to ACT during the fight because you cant really do much during the fight to fix issues, you can look at your dps number during the fight but it is meaningless in the moment because you can't just press a button and fix it. Its after the fight, when you are looking through the logs to break down the fight, which is what I was talking about. People who don't use it seem to think we stare at the program during the fight which isn't the case its a turn it on and forget about it till after the fight thing. You may glance at it from time to time but for the most part it just sits there going unnoticed till you wipe and or beat the fight and can look at it.
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