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  1. #131
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    I want to point out that Elden Ring has anti cheat but you can still use cheats or do malicious things to other people's games when you invade them. Monster Hunter has anti cheat and you still see people with hacked talismans, hacked weapons, one hit kill monsters, etc. I remember at Monster Hunter Rise's launch people already had hacked in talismans day 1 when it came to PC. There's a 100% guarantee that even if they put anti cheat in this game, you'd already see people bypass it and using the same plugins a few days later. All anti cheat does is punish people that aren't doing anything wrong while doing nothing to actually discourage cheaters.
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    Just because you've never had a problem doesn't mean hundreds or even thousands of other players wont. Square tends to use Denuvo for games that it does have anti-cheat software for and I have heard nothing good about it, and it stands to reason that they would use it for FFXIV too.
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  3. #133
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    Quote Originally Posted by angienessyo View Post
    I want to point out that Elden Ring has anti cheat but you can still use cheats or do malicious things to other people's games when you invade them. Monster Hunter has anti cheat and you still see people with hacked talismans, hacked weapons, one hit kill monsters, etc. I remember at Monster Hunter Rise's launch people already had hacked in talismans day 1 when it came to PC. There's a 100% guarantee that even if they put anti cheat in this game, you'd already see people bypass it and using the same plugins a few days later. All anti cheat does is punish people that aren't doing anything wrong while doing nothing to actually discourage cheaters.
    With Elden Ring, you can simply hack in items after turning off the anti-cheat then turn it back on and keep all those items, giving you a massive advantage when invading players. People in this thread championing DRM have no idea how easily abusable it really is. By the way, turning off anticheat is as easy as going to Nexus, you know, the most popular website for PC modding.
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  4. #134
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    Quote Originally Posted by SieyaM View Post
    Just because you've never had a problem doesn't mean hundreds or even thousands of other players wont. Square tends to use Denuvo for games that it does have anti-cheat software for and I have heard nothing good about it, and it stands to reason that they would use it for FFXIV too.
    Denuvo is a death sentence for a game. Dear god.
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  5. #135
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    Quote Originally Posted by SieyaM View Post
    Just because you've never had a problem doesn't mean hundreds or even thousands of other players wont. Square tends to use Denuvo for games that it does have anti-cheat software for and I have heard nothing good about it, and it stands to reason that they would use it for FFXIV too.
    No but listen, I've never had negative experiences with authority abusing its reach, so clearly you never have either.
    Anyone saying otherwise is clearly just trying to justify their thousands of cheats and mods used to sabotage my game's success.
    /s
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  6. #136
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    Quote Originally Posted by SieyaM View Post
    Just because you've never had a problem doesn't mean hundreds or even thousands of other players wont. Square tends to use Denuvo for games that it does have anti-cheat software for and I have heard nothing good about it, and it stands to reason that they would use it for FFXIV too.
    Isn't that the main function to stop piracy not an anticheat mostly
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  7. #137
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcg55ss View Post
    In the end people REALLY motivated to cheat will cheat no matter punishment or anything...however the "roadblock" anticheat is just a deterrence that vast majority would abide by and not go around. People obviously can do what developer REQUEST them to do so adding a deterrence is the next logical step. The only sad part is some qol and just non cheater add-ons would suffer from this and that would be something square would need to heavily implement before doing this
    Maybe the "vast majority" respect the TOS as it stands. Like you said, cheaters are going to cheat. So why add the roadblock?

    Also, I'd read the post directly above yours: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6180352
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  8. #138
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simple_Barghest View Post
    No but listen, I've never had negative experiences with authority abusing its reach, so clearly you never have either.
    Anyone saying otherwise is clearly just trying to justify their thousands of cheats and mods used to sabotage my game's success.
    /s
    Most people can't think outside of their own worldview, perspective and experience. They assume whatever they have experienced is what everyone else has experienced as well.
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  9. #139
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simple_Barghest View Post
    No but listen, I've never had negative experiences with authority abusing its reach, so clearly you never have either.
    Anyone saying otherwise is clearly just trying to justify their thousands of cheats and mods used to sabotage my game's success.
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    Did someone put their hand up your butt and make the puppet talk also didn't realize only 1 person IN THE WORLD used steam
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  10. #140
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    Quote Originally Posted by dspguy View Post
    Maybe the "vast majority" respect the TOS as it stands. Like you said, cheaters are going to cheat. So why add the roadblock?

    Also, I'd read the post directly above yours: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6180352
    I said vast majority wouldn't do it with a roadblock. I never said without a roadblock majority isn't already doing it which they are in some way or form not everybody is using it to cheat the raids but most people in a game have a quality of life addon they are using despite the developer asking them not to
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