Would you be opposed to SE implementing a program to scan for addons/parsers?

[Kuroka]

Sure i would, i run no software id need to hide lol

Also we do deserve it.

[Zebraoracle]

Sure i would, i run no software id need to hide lol

Also we do deserve it.

Speak for yourself, plenty of players don't use mods of any kind, and some of us use only cosmetic mods. I don't think any of those players deserve having invasive software installed on their PCs.

[caffe_macchiato]

Speak for yourself, plenty of players don't use mods of any kind, and some of us use only cosmetic mods. I don't think any of those players deserve having invasive software installed on their PCs.

An anti-cheat isn’t “invasive” in the way that you think. On a basic level, the game scans its own files to make sure they match the official ones. This is the same method used when you “verify game file integrity” in Steam or other launchers. It’s also how VAC operates. In fact, the entire system can run server-side. There’s no “scanning” that needs to be performed on your hardware. And AFAIK, a game has a legal and technical right to access its own files.

Also, have people not considered the sheer difference in magnitude between the above system and Mare? Which not only scans your files, but allows arbitrary downloads and code injection onto your client? In addition to uploading information from your client to others? In addition to sharing you and your alts’ statuses? On some dude’s private PC in his basement, no less (no one knows who or what runs Mare). Far, far more intrusive and yet 20,000 people are running Mare at any given time. A large portion of the FFXIV community welcomes intrusiveness. An anti-cheat would relieve them of that.

[Zebraoracle]

An anti-cheat isn’t “invasive” in the way that you think. On a basic level, the game scans its own files to make sure they match the official ones. This is the same method used when you “verify game file integrity” in Steam or other launchers. It’s also how VAC operates. In fact, the entire system can run server-side. There’s no “scanning” that needs to be performed on your hardware. And AFAIK, a game has a legal and technical right to access its own files.

Also, have people not considered the sheer difference in magnitude between the above system and Mare? Which not only scans your files, but allows arbitrary downloads and code injection onto your client? In addition to uploading information from your client to others? In addition to sharing you and your alts’ statuses? On some dude’s private PC in his basement, no less (no one knows who or what runs Mare). Far, far more intrusive and yet 20,000 people are running Mare at any given time. A large portion of the FFXIV community welcomes intrusiveness. An anti-cheat would relieve them of that.

First, it's invasive because of the previously stated reasons in the thread (the impact it might have on game performance being one of the biggest ones).

Second, do you use MARE (rhetorical question, don't answer it, not trying to bait anyone into incriminating themselves)? It doesn't just download mods from any person running it, you and a specific user have to share your own personal personal codes, something you're opting in of your own accord, not having forced on you.

[Mcg55ss]

First, it's invasive because of the previously stated reasons in the thread (the impact it might have on game performance being one of the biggest ones).

Second, do you use MARE (rhetorical question, don't answer it, not trying to bait anyone into incriminating themselves)? It doesn't just download mods from any person running it, you and a specific user have to share your own personal personal codes, something you're opting in of your own accord, not having forced on you.

which is why there are literally thousands of games on steam with anticheat and no performance issues.

[redheadturk]

An anti-cheat isn’t “invasive” in the way that you think. On a basic level, the game scans its own files to make sure they match the official ones. This is the same method used when you “verify game file integrity” in Steam or other launchers. It’s also how VAC operates. In fact, the entire system can run server-side. There’s no “scanning” that needs to be performed on your hardware. And AFAIK, a game has a legal and technical right to access its own files.

Also, have people not considered the sheer difference in magnitude between the above system and Mare? Which not only scans your files, but allows arbitrary downloads and code injection onto your client? In addition to uploading information from your client to others? In addition to sharing you and your alts’ statuses? On some dude’s private PC in his basement, no less (no one knows who or what runs Mare). Far, far more intrusive and yet 20,000 people are running Mare at any given time. A large portion of the FFXIV community welcomes intrusiveness. An anti-cheat would relieve them of that.

I myself use mare and cosmetic mods. But I only share my UUID with a very small number of people that I implicitly trust. But cosmetic mods are all I use, now that they have implemented the single QoL feature I very desperately needed [aka the buff timers on the party list and the ability to make them larger] That does not mean that I am going to welcome a rootkit onto my system. The people I share my appearance with [primarily my tiny FC of less than a dozen people] I trust. The rootkits that are anti cheats from big corporations I don't.

[Shialan]

Sure i would, i run no software id need to hide lol

Also we do deserve it.

So, you wouldn't mind opening a session in Teamviewer for me and letting me look through all your installed programms, your files on ALL your connected hard drives and which programms access the files for FF XIV while it is running?

[Vahlnir]

So, you wouldn't mind opening a session in Teamviewer for me and letting me look through all your installed programms, your files on ALL your connected hard drives and which programms access the files for FF XIV while it is running?

Yeah. Just because I have nothing to hide, doesn't mean I want some random person going through my stuff. It's a matter of respecting personal boundaries. Anyone who has to come out and say "I have nothing to hide" as a response in a debate like this usually has something to hide, or they are just ignorant.

[Deceptus]

Yeah. Just because I have nothing to hide, doesn't mean I want some random person going through my stuff. It's a matter of respecting personal boundaries. Anyone who has to come out and say "I have nothing to hide" as a response in a debate like this usually has something to hide, or they are just ignorant.

Seriously, "if you have nothing to hide, consent to a mandatory search" is a terrible mindset.