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    Larirawiel's Avatar
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    Larirawiel Caennalys
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johners View Post
    Square Enix should probably do something about the fact one of the popular plugins, Gshade, now includes malware.

    Mhhh, maybe "NotNite" misunderstood Marot's statement. It seems, that "NotNite" executed a functionality, which was not intended to be used. Because it's in an Alpha state or whatever. Gshade noticed it, that this functionallity was used and it killed itself. And if Gshade kills itself then it also terminates the application, which uses Gshade.

    And yes, Marot's statements are not helpful in such a situation. Because i can smell his arrogance. And for non software developers it still sounds very cryptic and the people have no clue what is going on. I also have to guess, what Marot propably meant.


    Cheers
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    Last edited by Larirawiel; 02-07-2023 at 03:00 AM.

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    ArcaviusGreyashe's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johners View Post
    Square Enix should probably do something about the fact one of the popular plugins, Gshade, now includes malware.
    Apart from the fact that despite what Lariwawiel said, this could very well be a malware, and yes, I do work in that field, and that I do recommend that anyone using Gshade uninstalls it ASAP until full light is made on that event...

    Why should they ? They don't approve the use of plugins/addons for many reasons, but one of them is "if you endorse those, you need to take responsibilities for whatever can happen through them". That includes exposing minors to sexual content, which is one of the reasons people on the forum hate it so much, but it goes way beyond.

    If you, as a software developer, make a software that turns a CPU into mush, that's your responsibility. If you endorse the use of third party plugins and that those turn a CPU into mush, that's ALSO your responsibility. They don't need to do anything, because they spend a lot of time explaining that they wish players do not use them, not because they care that much, but because they don't want to be responsible for any of that.

    So no, they won't do anything. And that's ok. They're not responsible for whatever you decide to install.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johners View Post
    Square Enix should probably do something about the fact one of the popular plugins, Gshade, now includes malware.

    Why do they need to do anything about it? They arent responsible for what mods people install and it seems the community is quite capable of handling this situation themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    Why do they need to do anything about it? They arent responsible for what mods people install and it seems the community is quite capable of handling this situation themselves.
    Its cringey how almost every post you make regarding the devs is so obviously written out of contempt for them lol

    Anyway, I think this maaay be a big deal if Yoshida finds out about this drama. Since Gshade was really one of the only few third party programs that can be openly talked about and they have gone on record in the past that them was an exception due to its implementation.


    However the fact that the tool dev did something this malicious is just going to throw more fuel into the already on going fire with 3rd party programs with what the drama we just had with TOP. You should absolutely be considering how this will affect their stance on 3rd party even more. How about you quit acting like the devs dont matter when its their game and they're the ones who will ultimately start cracking down on everything we do because of light of this situation with a commonly used tool for the game. This is not about whether the community can handle itself, its about the attitude were expressing to the dev team whom already are getting sick and tired of dealing with our bs time and time again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur View Post
    Its cringey how almost every post you make regarding the devs is so obviously written out of contempt for them lol

    Anyway, I think this maaay be a big deal if Yoshida finds out about this drama. Since Gshade was really one of the only few third party programs that can be openly talked about and they have gone on record in the past that them was an exception due to its implementation.


    However the fact that the tool dev did something this malicious is just going to throw more fuel into the already on going fire with 3rd party programs with what the drama we just had with TOP. You should absolutely be considering how this will affect their stance on 3rd party even more. How about you quit acting like the devs dont matter when its their game and they're the ones who will ultimately start cracking down on everything we do because of light of this situation with a commonly used tool for the game. This is not about whether the community can handle itself, its about the attitude were expressing to the dev team whom already are getting sick and tired of dealing with our bs time and time again.
    Oh silly me for pointing out what SE and yoship keep saying every single time this topic is brought up. Install mods at your own risk, simple as that.

    We receive many inquiries regarding infection by viruses and spyware that steal passwords after downloading third-party tools and plugins. To keep your system secure, we ask that you exercise judgement and refrain from needlessly downloading third-party tools or software of unknown origins.
    Are you sure you're not mixing me up with someone again? Atmost all they need to do is say "we told you so, third party tools are a security risk". I am considering how this will affect their stance but there is more to their stance than the flailing outrage of the forum. The devteam isnt made up of tantrumming children, it's adults running a business. For this specific business cheaters arent as reputation damaging as for pure pvp games like valorant, overwatch and league as by and large they dont negatively impact players in their normal play sessions (yes I know, pvp cheaters exist but not enough people care about pvp in this game for SE to lift a finger).

    In reality they are profit orientated and while the FF14 part of SE has some morals intact when it comes to monetization (as opposed to other parts of the company) there is little hesitation when it comes to mods. Yes, yoship thinks modding in gaming is overall a good thing but that doesnt stop him from sending the hammer. Which leaves us with the possibility that maybe the modding scene is overall beneficial to SE's bank accounts. Forum outrage and memes wont change that. Afterall, if people can fix their issues with the game (of which there are many) through mods they will have a better time with the game and will potentially stay subbed for longer.
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    Gshade dev has already called it quits already and it'll no longer be receiving updates going forward. Life really comes at you hard.
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    Well Gshade just seems to be another reason for me to enjoy the game without add-ons. Sucks for everyone who had it though. Wonder how this will now affect things going forward
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcg55ss View Post
    Wonder how this will now affect things going forward
    People will forget and install WhateverShade pops up next. Some will ask whether it is safe, a remote friend of them will tell them it is, so they'll install it.

    Although I would argue that the fact there was that much of a mess, as soon as this (the thing appeared in the latest patch, which is, as I understand it, a few days old) proves that there are enough people that know their s*** in this community to protect the others. So hey, I'd say, from an outsider point of view, that seems pretty good actually.
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    Damn that went nuclear they even got banned from the 14 reddit discord. Well he better stay low for awhile.
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    for a year, would you rather be secretly filmed at random moments and have the footage uploaded to your social media or loose $100 when ever you said a curse word?

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    There's a monumental amount of irony in this.
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