Would you be opposed to SE implementing a program to scan for addons/parsers?

[Ivtrix]

This is an incredibly naive mindset. How can everyone "try harder" when no one has the slightest clue why they reached enrage? You mention having only really done Extremes. So here's the thing. Extremes have a comically low threshold to clear. Rubicante can allow upwards of like 8+ deaths and you'll still make the check provided everyone knows what they're doing. This is very much not the case for Savage, especially in the early weeks. Even after the nerf and three weeks worth of gear, you'll still see enrage without everyone pumping in P8S. You really can't compare the two until after you start getting gear which neuters the DPS check quite significantly.



A party leader is under no obligation to give you any chance. In fact, they can kick you simply for displaying your glamour. It's their party after all. Now most parties won't kick immediately and give people a chance to work out whatever kinks they need but if you're messing up several times then it's well within their right to rep you. Although, even in such a scenario a lot of people will simply disband and possibly reform with the good players.



Let me give you a scenario I ran into a while back that really highlights why parsers are so useful.

Back near the end Shadowbringers I was helping a friend clear TEA. Now three of us were using relics and nearly everyone had dungeon BiS which is a massive upswing in damage from when the fight released. Nevertheless, we still saw enrage clean on more than one occasion. Which just shouldn't happen. I cleared TEA on content with far less gear. So the raid lead and I started looking through logs to determine the issue. Turns out neither healer had optimizing their healing and were essentially healing over each other and not dealing damage. They were a combined 2,000 below expected DPS relative to other groups. My co-tank was also struggling. Without ACT and FFlogs, you'd be inclined to put that blame on the DPS since it's a DPS check and all. They were all fine. Sure, they could have pumped out a little more but at that point you're squeezing blood from a stone.

Once we sorted out that issue and the healers focused more on improving their DPS, we cleared.

At the high-end level parsers are simply far too valuable a tool in a game centered around DPS. I can assure you their removal would actually lead to more toxicity because now you'd have people blindly pointing the finger at each other without any idea who's actually struggling.

A lot of people who don’t touch higher end content don’t realize that in higher end content healer dps isn’t optional, optimization is mandatory. There is no way to meet the p4 dps check in TOP without healers pumping

[FireMage]

It is only toxic if they do not carry their weight ON PURPOSE. Not knowing enough is not toxic. Do you really expect everyone to be on top of their game, even if they’ve never done high-end content before?

And I must disagree. Kicking somebody without giving them a chance to do better is toxic and incredibly rude.

You agreeing or not is irrelevant. It was a factual statement. This is 2023, the internet exists. Ignorance and therefore being bad, is a choice. Like how you have chosen to be a bad

[HikariKurosawa]

After this post I am cancelling my sub. I will wait for the future of this game. It's weird for a company to leave cheating as a sanctioned thing. It's one thing if it isn't against ToS like blizzard does for WoW, but to have it against ToS and fully enabled without punishment even when people are openly admitting to using addons and breaking ToS on the official forums.

For people to be shaming players by bringing up their parses to use against them on the official forums as addon users, when the people they are shaming just play the game as a fun rpg because they know that it's not currently a legitimate experience in regards to fair play... It's just weird and toxic. I don't think this community should exist as is. I don't want to support this company as is, and I don't feel good being in this world anymore.

It was just an RPG to me, but now it's become something tainted after the omega controversy bringing how bad the problem actually is to light. Something has to change.

"Xeno's honest thoughts on the cheating drama" watch this video on youtube without feeling sick. It's a test to see how honest you are.

[Rilifane]

It was just an RPG to me, but now it's become something tainted after the omega controversy bringing how bad the problem actually is to light. Something has to change.

If you're just here to chill and have fun in a RPG, then that sounds like a 100% you problem because that shouldn't be able to "taint" anything for you.

[HikariKurosawa]

If you're just here to chill and have fun in a RPG, then that sounds like a 100% you problem because that shouldn't be able to "taint" anything for you.

I'm not just here for that reason by choice, I am here for that reason because the game has been tainted by players who break the tos in a belligerent way. I'd like to engage in the game further, just not like this. You people make it unappealing to people like me who value fair play.

You can deflect and feign innocence all you want, but you know what you're doing to this game.

[Rilifane]

I'm not just here for that reason by choice, I am here for that reason because the game has been tainted by players who break the tos in a belligerent way. I'd like to engage in the game further, just not like this. You people make it unappealing to people like me who value fair play.

You can deflect and feign innocence all you want, but you know what you're doing to this game.

You chose to pay attention to the whole TOP world first race drama when you clearly don't do that type of content and have no horse in the race.
You chose to feel personally offended by people using addons like ACT when you neither meet them ingame nor are they being a jerk to you about it.
This was by your choice. If you were really just here for a "chill RPG" then you could've done what several other people that are just here for a chill RPG are doing and just do what you enjoy and not participate in any discussions surrounding this topic. Because someone chasing parses or using Cactbot in Savage you're never stepping foot into does not affect your enjoyment of MSQ, treasure maps or whatever else you're doing.

I agree with Forte, this just sounds like a thinly veiled attempt to demand from everyone to play the exact same way you want them to or it "taints" the experience for you.
No, it doesn't.
Someone modding their glam or hairstyles doesn't affect my enjoyment as long as they don't tell me that I look like a pile of trash because I'm not doing the same.
Someone chasing parses in Savage doesn't affect you as long as they don't walk up to you and tell you you're trash for not doing the same.

You chose to get offended by this and now you're playing the victim by telling that you have to cancel your sub because others that you never met "tainted" it for you.

[CaedemSanguis]

Why there is so much people against?

[ForteNightshade]

After this post I am cancelling my sub. I will wait for the future of this game. It's weird for a company to leave cheating as a sanctioned thing. It's one thing if it isn't against ToS like blizzard does for WoW, but to have it against ToS and fully enabled without punishment even when people are openly admitting to using addons and breaking ToS on the official forums.

For people to be shaming players by bringing up their parses to use against them on the official forums as addon users, when the people they are shaming just play the game as a fun rpg because they know that it's not currently a legitimate experience in regards to fair play... It's just weird and toxic. I don't think this community should exist as is. I don't want to support this company as is, and I don't feel good being in this world anymore.

It was just an RPG to me, but now it's become something tainted after the omega controversy bringing how bad the problem actually is to light. Something has to change.

"Xeno's honest thoughts on the cheating drama" watch this video on youtube without feeling sick. It's a test to see how honest you are.

Adding to what Rilifane said, I have to ask. Why does it matter to you if someone enjoys parsing and chasing a leaderboard provided they aren't being a jerk about it? Their enjoyment of the game literally does nothing to impact yours. In fact, if this is just a "chill RPG" for you and you never set foot in Savage then you're unlikely to even bump into someone such as myself who spends a lot of time in PF.

Put simply, people enjoy the game for different reasons. You're essentially demanding I play the way you approve. Which, ironically, sounds far more toxic than a parser ever was.

[HikariKurosawa]

Adding to what Rilifane said, I have to ask. Why does it matter to you if someone enjoys parsing and chasing a leaderboard provided they aren't being a jerk about it? Their enjoyment of the game literally does nothing to impact yours. In fact, if this is just a "chill RPG" for you and you never set foot in Savage then you're unlikely to even bump into someone such as myself who spends a lot of time in PF.

Put simply, people enjoy the game for different reasons. You're essentially demanding I play the way you approve. Which, ironically, sounds far more toxic than a parser ever was.

Because people are actively jerks about it and will always be? I am demanding you follow the ToS. It's not about my approval, it's about following the terms of service you legally agreed to when you signed up to play this game. People like you ruin the game for people like me.

On top of that, savage content is the most appealing RPG fantasy for me that exists in this game. Because of the state of addons being normalized, I am not going to fit in in that scene. For what reason? Because you're bad at mechanics and can't do things without cheating.

[Kazhar]

On top of that, savage content is the most appealing RPG fantasy for me that exists in this game. Because of the state of addons being normalized, I am not going to fit in in that scene. For what reason? Because you're bad at mechanics and can't do things without cheating.

Your whole victim act isn't going to get much traction if you're never able to stop casually insulting people for no reason.

The game isn't fun to play with people like you being enabled.

Who's "people like you"? I don't support cheating. Seems like you suffer from a bad case of strawmanning and black and white thinking.

I'm not a victim

For someone who's "not the victim", you sure write a lot of paragraph about how mean people are with you.

Also lol, do you struggle with writing? Is it hard work to form words about something you care about? Just curious since you seem to correlate amount of words with amount of hurt feelings.

English is not my first language so if I don't consider it worth it, I don't bother. But your entire post is such an amazing self-own I don't even have to say anything. I'll just passively watch yourself unveil the depths of your stupidity.

You're doing everyone who thinks your pov is irrational such a huge favor.