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    Player Midareyukki's Avatar
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    Yes, extremely opposed. Those sorts of software are unreliable as they are and tend to report false flags due to some fringe configuration they happen to not like. And the FF14 launcher is already a not-very-fun source for weird glitches and exceptions.

    Besides, as much as we harp on third-party tools that give players an advantage and automate the game, there are some that grant quality of life options that SE has yet to implement. Such as better support for disabilities, increasing the font or support for other languages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midareyukki View Post
    Yes, extremely opposed. Those sorts of software are unreliable as they are and tend to report false flags due to some fringe configuration they happen to not like. And the FF14 launcher is already a not-very-fun source for weird glitches and exceptions.

    Besides, as much as we harp on third-party tools that give players an advantage and automate the game, there are some that grant quality of life options that SE has yet to implement. Such as better support for disabilities, increasing the font or support for other languages.
    Those those third-party tools that "grant quality of life options" are categorically banned.
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    Player Midareyukki's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anger View Post
    Those those third-party tools that "grant quality of life options" are categorically banned.
    I know. But that's the thing. People are going to quit if those quality of life tools aren't allowed, unfortunately.

    I never said that those are okay, they still break the TOS.

    And people really need to stop taking any such points as immediately defending the use of third party tools.

    I'm just being pragmatic here. We're focusing on tools that enable cheating and give people an upper hand. What upper hand would a colourblind person have over being able to see the AoEs everyone else has through the use of a shader or some other form of modification?

    Because yes. Yoshida has said 3rd Party Tools overall are not okay in the latest post. No one disputes this.
    He's also said, however, in previous moments that not only does he not want a witch hunt over these things, there are tools he considers to exist in a gray area.
    And those are things he's gradually having implemented into the game, the latest of which is being able to tell which hit is magical or physical damage.

    Even if they're categorically banned, you still need to consider their use and application. Why they're being used overall. And until SE implements those into the game to discourage their use, you'll basically be telling people that rely on those things to "get good" over something that isn't within their immediate control.

    And with that, you'll just lose customers. A select handful, sure. But you'll still lose them anyway.

    People need to stop being such hard-headed over these things. Okay, fine, they're all banned. But if even the lead producer of the game is capable of saying "Yeah, there are green areas, just keep them hushed and make sure they don't impact anything else", so can you, for crying out loud... The TOS doesn't need to be applied all black-and-white over every possible thing people do and say and get.

    The fact the lead producer acknowledges gray areas means that saying "categorically banned" has nuance.

    And keep in mind though, I'm only pointing toward quality of life stuff that helps people with disabilities and stuff like that. Not advocating for cheating of any kind.
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    anti-cheat software tbh doesn't stop cheaters or bots. It just annoys legitimate players by making the game less stable and run worse while being a small annoyance to the people who make the cheat software because they have a few additional hoops to move around making said software.
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    Don't most Easy AC games have rampant cheating anyway??
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiaDeem View Post
    Don't most Easy AC games have rampant cheating anyway??
    Laughs in Elden Ring
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    There is no point. People will always find a way around anticheat softwares.
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    They said they can’t because of legal issues with other countries.
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    Anticheat Software itself is a potential security hole. It is IMHO better, that SQEX does not use it. Even when some players use parsers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Anger View Post
    In light of the recent TOP issue and concerns surrounding the legitimacy of their clear - would you be opposed to anticheat software scanning your system for addons/parsers/plugins?

    This would help enforce the total and categorical ban on any third party programs used.
    I believe there are a lot of useful addons, plugins, and mods that many players are using. The moment you take that from them is the same moment you encourage them to quit the game, and I'm not talking about the NSFW modding community because that's a completely different matter.
    I think it's better to support the game with official features and QoL improvements that render these third-party tools obsolete, or at least render as much as possible before starting to use whatever third-party detection methods. This way, not only you increase customer satisfaction, but also decrease the number of potential players who might quit as a result.
    That being said. There will always be people using third-party tools, and the first step in solving the problem is admitting it. Hence my recommendation is to add these third-party tools as official features when possible as stated above. The next step should be a gradual detection of third-party tools to allow players to use some (but not all) and get gradually used to a different gameplay style than the one they used to play with if some third-party tools can't be added as official features without completely stripping the players to mitigate the number of potential players who might quit. .
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    Last edited by Kranel_San; 02-01-2023 at 05:20 AM.

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