Would you be opposed to SE implementing a program to scan for addons/parsers?

[Ivtrix]

Console players don't need ACT. You just need one person in the group that runs it. It is not ACT by itself that is most useful. When people talk about using ACT to improve, or using ACT to figure out dmg numbers for rotations or whatever, they are mostly talking about the logs that the ACT program generates. Running ACT you can see your dps numbers during the fight, sure, but that really does nothing for you in that moment. It's after the fight when the person running ACT uploads the logs and everyone can loom through them and break the fight down and see what they are doing second by second in the fight, that really matters. So along as one person in the group is on PC and running ACT, then the console players can also benefit from it.

The best thing about ACT is being able to upload logs onto fflogs because you can take those logs and paste them into xivanalysis to review what you need to work on. It shouldn’t be controversial to want to see specifically how you can improve your play, but as per usual of this forum people who never touch the content think they understand how it works, but they just don’t.

[Mcg55ss]

You completely, absolutely 100%... didn't get it.
But keep smiling bosses down.

I will and I 100% did get it but just because we disagree on the need of add-ons you like to believe I don't it's ok dear

[Rilifane]

I will and I 100% did get it but just because we disagree on the need of add-ons you like to believe I don't it's ok dear

You clearly didn't, you just made blanket statements like "EVERYONE should improve then!" that are completely ignoring the actual question and make it seem as if you got it but you didn't.
Tell me: if you have a few people that perform really well and a few who don't and together they're not enough to beat the boss. How fair is it to tell the group that everyone needs to improve? Because you're telling the good players that are already pulling their weight the exact same, unfiltered thing as the bad players who are currently holding the group back.
Do you get it now?

Same as the point about how rotations are even made in the first place - not by feelycrafting your way through with "probably just uncomfortable". My point (the one you didn't get) was that everyone who ever looked up rotations either directly from Balance or from guides that copied them (which... pretty much every guide does) indirectly profits from ACT and relies on it in a way.
It's just that not everyone has the balls to admit it and prefer to live in their little fairy world where they are above such dirty things as parsers.

But by all means, keep trying to make it about "epeen" when I never mentioned that in any way. Maybe it helps you sleep at night, who knows.

Calling me "dear" already? I didn't know you liked me so much by the way.

[Mcg55ss]

You clearly didn't, you just made blanket statements like "EVERYONE should improve then!" that are completely ignoring the actual question and make it seem as if you got it but you didn't.
Tell me: if you have a few people that perform really well and a few who don't and together they're not enough to beat the boss. How fair is it to tell the group that everyone needs to improve? Because you're telling the good players that are already pulling their weight the exact same, unfiltered thing as the bad players who are currently holding the group back.
Do you get it now?

Same as the point about how rotations are even made in the first place - not by feelycrafting your way through with "probably just uncomfortable". My point (the one you didn't get) was that everyone who ever looked up rotations either directly from Balance or from guides that copied them (which... pretty much every guide does) indirectly profits from ACT and relies on it in a way.
It's just that not everyone has the balls to admit it and prefer to live in their little fairy world where they are above such dirty things as parsers.

But by all means, keep trying to make it about "epeen" when I never mentioned that in any way. Maybe it helps you sleep at night, who knows.

Calling me "dear" already? I didn't know you liked me so much by the way.

Fair by telling people pulling their weight to improve??? LOL what delusional world do you live in dear, EVEN if you are pulling your weight that does not mean there is not room improvements and you think that is unfair??? Complacency is that of the weak willed and the weak. Also you never know when you will need to pull more than just your weight to get a kill, Not everything is in your control so constant pushing to improve is something really most do, those who don't are a pain and will eventually be the hinderance to others you claim you can't predict suddenly a DPS internet randomly shits the bed but if your MAXIMUM you desire is pulling your weight then you will fail because your interest are just self sufficient and not enough to compensate for rare circumstances or emergencies when called up you should always strive to do the best no matter how unachievable it is, Also feelcrafty LOL most this rotation is common sense you don't need ACT for majority of it or Balance tips of keep your dots up, Always be casting these should be no brainers, ACT will help with some things like CD usage timers and Bard songs the exact optimal order to play them that im sure would be debated and i can agree ACT does help you know which would be best.

Also dear isn't ment as liking you is just a word here in the deep south but i must go get my child from school now so have a good weekend dear

[Rilifane]

Fair by telling people pulling their weight to improve??? LOL what delusional world do you live in dear, EVEN if you are pulling your weight that does not mean there is not room improvements and you think that is unfair??? Complacency is that of the weak willed and the weak. Also you never know when you will need to pull more than just your weight to get a kill, Not everything is in your control so constant pushing to improve is something really most do, those who don't are a pain and will eventually be the hinderance to others you claim you can't predict suddenly a DPS internet randomly shits the bed but if your MAXIMUM you desire is pulling your weight then you will fail because your interest are just self sufficient and not enough to compensate for rare circumstances or emergencies when called up you should always strive to do the best no matter how unachievable it is, Also feelcrafty LOL most this rotation is common sense you don't need ACT for majority of it or Balance tips of keep your dots up, Always be casting these should be no brainers, ACT will help with some things like CD usage timers and Bard songs the exact optimal order to play them that im sure would be debated and i can agree ACT does help you know which would be best.

Also dear isn't ment as liking you is just a word here in the deep south but i must go get my child from school now so have a good weekend dear

Still missing the point, I see. Because you haven't really reacted to anything I wrote. You just made a couple of aggressive and condescending blanket statements and assumptions about me while happily beating a strawman.
Point me to the part where I said that somebody who is pulling their weight shouldn't improve. Go on, I'm waiting.
And now point me to the part where I said that I don't intend to do more than pulling my weight. Still waiting.
But telling people who are performing well that they need to improve just as much as people who are currently holding the group back is pretty much the worst thing you can possibly do if you want your group to smile a boss down. That is so basic I really shouldn't have to tell you. That's not how motivating people or keeping a group together works.

And since you yourself said that people should always try to do more and improve further, shouldn't you of all people recognize the use that Balance in-depth guides or ACT for getting detailed analysis, timelines and replays have?
Come now, ABC and keeping dots up is the absolute bare minimum and the lowest of all bars; that's the worst argument you could've chosen.
That is neither what ACT (or rather xiva) nor Balance is really for - nor will that alone make a boss topple over unless you want to wait for outgearing it and Echo for good measure.

[solimiano]

Still missing the point, I see. Because you haven't really reacted to anything I wrote. You just made a couple of aggressive and condescending blanket statements and assumptions about me while happily beating a strawman.
Point me to the part where I said that somebody who is pulling their weight shouldn't improve. Go on, I'm waiting.
And now point me to the part where I said that I don't intend to do more than pulling my weight. Still waiting.
But telling people who are performing well that they need to improve just as much as people who are currently holding the group back is pretty much the worst thing you can possibly do if you want your group to smile a boss down. That is so basic I really shouldn't have to tell you. That's not how motivating people or keeping a group together works.

And since you yourself said that people should always try to do more and improve further, shouldn't you of all people recognize the use that Balance in-depth guides or ACT for getting detailed analysis, timelines and replays have?
Come now, ABC and keeping dots up is the absolute bare minimum and the lowest of all bars; that's the worst argument you could've chosen.
That is neither what ACT (or rather xiva) nor Balance is really for - nor will that alone make a boss topple over unless you want to wait for outgearing it and Echo for good measure.

All of that is forbidden and banned, unless it's put on the official game, if people are not able to improve without those tools and only 100 people in the world clear the current difficulty the Devs will lower it to the level where you dont need third party tools to improve and clear, have you even thought about that?
The difficulty keeps improving because people keep cheating to clear, if noone or only a very small percentage of the community clears , they will adjust it...
So stop cheating.

[RobynDaBank]

If you don't support an anti-cheat you're obviously hiding skeletons, and if you do support it you support rootkits and kernel-level deep-digging software. Did I get it right?

[caffe_macchiato]

Console players don't need ACT. You just need one person in the group that runs it.

So content does require at least one PC player then, such that a static with only console players cannot clear endgame content. This still seems problematic from Sony’s perspective at the very least, since their platform isn’t equal to a PC. The suits thus have a strong financial motive to undermine the “PC Master Race” by enforcing platform equality and banning add-ons. This isn’t good for the master race.

but as per usual of this forum people who never touch the content think they understand how it works, but they just don’t.

Very true. ACT is the bread and butter of Final Fantasy XIV, and if you don’t watch your colors and numbers on a third-party site, are you really raiding?

Also, do we know if Square Enix has any plans to acquire FFLogs and ACT since they’re essentially required to play the content? Otherwise, those services could shut down or have issues and render a lot of FFXIV’s core content unplayable.

[Saraide]

So content does require at least one PC player then, such that a static with only console players cannot clear endgame content. This still seems problematic from Sony’s perspective at the very least, since their platform isn’t equal to a PC. The suits thus have a strong financial motive to undermine the “PC Master Race” by enforcing platform equality and banning add-ons. This isn’t good for the master race.



Very true. ACT is the bread and butter of Final Fantasy XIV, and if you don’t watch your colors and numbers on a third-party site, are you really raiding?

Also, do we know if Square Enix has any plans to acquire FFLogs and ACT since they’re essentially required to play the content? Otherwise, those services could shut down or have issues and render a lot of FFXIV’s core content unplayable.

I mean unless your deliberately only recruit PS4 people, you're gonna have a PC player in the mix.

[Delis]

So content does require at least one PC player then, such that a static with only console players cannot clear endgame content. This still seems problematic from Sony’s perspective at the very least, since their platform isn’t equal to a PC. The suits thus have a strong financial motive to undermine the “PC Master Race” by enforcing platform equality and banning add-ons. This isn’t good for the master race.

Noone is saying you need it to clear a fight. There is a difference between clearing and optimizing. A group of Grey's can probably clear a fight, they will have a rough time but it is more or less doable. Now if you want to take it to the next level, to optimize a fight, to learn your job better, yes the hard truth is you do need to look over logs. SE does a poor job of providing a way in game to do this. Sure they provide training dummies and sea stone sky, but they really don't let you know how you are doing.

Can a full group of console players clear? Of course they can. Can they optimize a fight and learn and identify their rotation mistakes? Most likely not. But let's be honest how likely is it that the whole group is console? I am sure there might be console only groups. Are they at a disadvantage? Yes. It's the way it is.