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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcg55ss View Post
    But if you pull up to a road block and have nothing to hide you give them your info and show you are not drunk driving right?? Or do you immediately try to turn around and find a way around just for a cop to pull you over anyway??. You probably do the 1st one cuz you have nothing to hide and while a very small inconvenience you just go through..same with anticheat except 99.9% of the time it's not even noticable it's their
    That's not a great analogy at all.

    Roadblocks are limited to checking ID, plates and insurance. They are only allowed to request a breathalyzer or to check your vehicle if there is a cause to do so.

    In FFXIV, checking ID, plates and insurance is akin to your login information and your CC to pay for the service. That's the roadblock. Anything past that is an invasion of privacy. Maybe they should have these inspections (your breathalyzer or car inspections) for anyone that has been banned in the past.

    We don't live in a communist state where we don't have these rights. Why give them up so freely? Besides, as has been noted, these measures will mostly effect players that are playing legitimately. Cheaters will find a way around them.

    Essentially, your "roadblock" is just the road that legit players travel on. Cheaters will just drive around the roadblock on an alternative route, leaving the rest of us to deal with the inconvenience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dspguy View Post
    That's not a great analog at all.

    Roadblocks are limited to checking ID, plates and insurance. They are only allowed to request a breathalyzer or to check your vehicle if there is a cause to do so.

    In FFXIV, checking ID, plates and insurance is akin to your login information and your CC to pay for the service. That's the roadblock. Anything past that is an invasion of privacy.

    We don't live in a communist state where we don't have these rights. Why give them up so freely? Besides, as has been noted, these measures will mostly effect players that are playing legitimately. Cheaters will find a way around them.

    Essentially, your "roadblock" is just the road that legit players travel on. Cheaters will just drive around the roadblock on an alternative route, leaving the rest of us to deal with the inconvenience.
    "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Payadopa View Post
    Innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around, yes.
    Yea but even innocent until proven guilty has checks to make sure you aren't violating the law...they don't just say ne a good person and let you go
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    Quote Originally Posted by dspguy View Post
    That's not a great analog at all.

    Roadblocks are limited to checking ID, plates and insurance. They are only allowed to request a breathalyzer or to check your vehicle if there is a cause to do so.

    In FFXIV, checking ID, plates and insurance is akin to your login information and your CC to pay for the service. That's the roadblock. Anything past that is an invasion of privacy.

    We don't live in a communist state where we don't have these rights. Why give them up so freely? Besides, as has been noted, these measures will mostly effect players that are playing legitimately. Cheaters will find a way around them.

    Essentially, your "roadblock" is just the road that legit players travel on. Cheaters will just drive around the roadblock on an alternative route, leaving the rest of us to deal with the inconvenience.
    In the end people REALLY motivated to cheat will cheat no matter punishment or anything...however the "roadblock" anticheat is just a deterrence that vast majority would abide by and not go around. People obviously can do what developer REQUEST them to do so adding a deterrence is the next logical step. The only sad part is some qol and just non cheater add-ons would suffer from this and that would be something square would need to heavily implement before doing this
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcg55ss View Post
    In the end people REALLY motivated to cheat will cheat no matter punishment or anything...however the "roadblock" anticheat is just a deterrence that vast majority would abide by and not go around. People obviously can do what developer REQUEST them to do so adding a deterrence is the next logical step. The only sad part is some qol and just non cheater add-ons would suffer from this and that would be something square would need to heavily implement before doing this
    Maybe the "vast majority" respect the TOS as it stands. Like you said, cheaters are going to cheat. So why add the roadblock?

    Also, I'd read the post directly above yours: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6180352
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    In the end those kinds of programs never do much more than interfere with the games performance and junk up your PC. The people making add-ons usually find a way around them to use anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SieyaM View Post
    In the end those kinds of programs never do much more than interfere with the games performance and junk up your PC. The people making add-ons usually find a way around them to use anyway.
    I have hundreds of steam games with anti cheat and played wow for years with anti cheat and those programs don't bog down a computer or my performance in games at all. I have never had an issue where that has been the reason a game performed back.
    Now will they find a way around it yes of course you can't keep anything protected even state governments have issues with people hacking them so if they want in eventually they will find a crack no matter how good it is. But for 99% they're not going to do that work for a game.
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    Just because you've never had a problem doesn't mean hundreds or even thousands of other players wont. Square tends to use Denuvo for games that it does have anti-cheat software for and I have heard nothing good about it, and it stands to reason that they would use it for FFXIV too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SieyaM View Post
    Just because you've never had a problem doesn't mean hundreds or even thousands of other players wont. Square tends to use Denuvo for games that it does have anti-cheat software for and I have heard nothing good about it, and it stands to reason that they would use it for FFXIV too.
    Denuvo is a death sentence for a game. Dear god.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SieyaM View Post
    Just because you've never had a problem doesn't mean hundreds or even thousands of other players wont. Square tends to use Denuvo for games that it does have anti-cheat software for and I have heard nothing good about it, and it stands to reason that they would use it for FFXIV too.
    No but listen, I've never had negative experiences with authority abusing its reach, so clearly you never have either.
    Anyone saying otherwise is clearly just trying to justify their thousands of cheats and mods used to sabotage my game's success.
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