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    Doesn't matter to me. I've played several games all my MMOing career of 20+ years that have used anti cheat software of various kinds. Never had an issue. People who claim to have an issue are a fraction of the playerbase and probably already have qualms with the game for various other reasons and using it as an excuse to just peel the final bandaid off. If people think enjoyers of the game will walk away in droves simply because anti-cheat software of any kind comes out, they are sorely mistaken. Most people who engage with online MMOs already interface with anti-cheat software almost 90% of the time.

    Now the main issue is how effective it would be, which seems to have varying results depending on the company. I've known some games to have such tight security, hacking/botting/modding by and large went caput instantly and games benefitted from it. I've seen some that turn into an arms race and others that pretty much can never keep up with the mods/hacks and just affect legit players. The game doesn't survive on mods like something akin to WoW does so getting rid of them isn't gamebreaking. Visual mods and QoL stuff disappears for those that use them, but if we can't have people in the community responsibily using them (especially on the highest most publicized stage) then we probably don't deserve to have them at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CP2833787 View Post
    That is some downright dangerous thinking in general.

    It's also worth mentioning that the cheaters will always find a way around stuff like this, Anti-Cheat software almost never works and digs hard into the RAM of a computer causing performance drops.

    The most likely scenario is it "works" by driving most of the player base away due to needing an expensive computer to play without severe performance issues. Which would put FFXIV back in the same boat it would have been in 1.0
    An expensive computer lol you are delusional. It doesn't cause the issues people claim and vast majority of games with anticheat the anticheat goes unnoticed not slowing anything. Now will it completely stop cheating, doubtful but it would act as deterrence
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    Player Midareyukki's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcg55ss View Post
    An expensive computer lol you are delusional. It doesn't cause the issues people claim and vast majority of games with anticheat the anticheat goes unnoticed not slowing anything. Now will it completely stop cheating, doubtful but it would act as deterrence
    From personal experience with them, yeah they do. Not while you're playing, but they act before when you launch it. Either way, you'd not only have someone circumvent the anticheat either way through some finnagling, you'll also risk disabling stuff that doesn't cause cheating but does still help people play the game. You know, the stuff SE is only implementing now because they realized people wouldn't stop using those tools since they couldn't get any decent alternative in-game? And all sorts of false flags just because "your firewall isn't configured correctly".
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    My biggest concern with them adding a program that does this isn't even privacy, this game is already held together with virtual duct tape and silly puddy, and I've noticed a steep decline in the game's overall performance since Endwalker dropped.

    Adding an anticheat on top of it would make the game lag even more.


    Would be fucking hilarious watching the mass fall out and salt among people obsessed with modding the game though, might be worth it just for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oizen View Post
    My biggest concern with them adding a program that does this isn't even privacy, this game is already held together with virtual duct tape and silly puddy, and I've noticed a steep decline in the game's overall performance since Endwalker dropped.

    Adding an anticheat on top of it would make the game lag even more.


    Would be fucking hilarious watching the mass fall out and salt among people obsessed with modding the game though, might be worth it just for that.

    If you are finding the game lagging and performing bad, I am sorry to say it is your own hardware and internet quality that is insufficient, as I personally have little to no lag issues running XIV on max settings 4K stable 60fps only dipping to 52fps in crowded Limsa etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Altera View Post
    If you are finding the game lagging and performing bad, I am sorry to say it is your own hardware and internet quality that is insufficient, as I personally have little to no lag issues running XIV on max settings 4K stable 60fps only dipping to 52fps in crowded Limsa etc
    Right.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Altera View Post
    If you are finding the game lagging and performing bad, I am sorry to say it is your own hardware and internet quality that is insufficient, as I personally have little to no lag issues running XIV on max settings 4K stable 60fps only dipping to 52fps in crowded Limsa etc
    This is simply wrong and shows you have no understanding of how latency works. I literally can't get better internet than I already have because it doesn't exist in Quebec. My ping fluctuates between 94-105 simply because I'm over 3,000 miles away from the nearest datacenter. For reference sake, when said datacenters were located in Montreal even weaker internet allowed me to play at just 10 ping.

    A VPN can help but still won't reduce ping by much. Not to mention, they come with an extra fee nearly doubling my sub cost. Meanwhile, a simple plugin fixes everything for free and should be how the game functions to begin with. The dev team often doesn't even realize how bad ping reliance can get because it isn't an issue in Japan. Hence why Dark Knight and Machinist suffered for years—the latter being unplayable for a lot of people.

    There's a reason most MMOs and online games in general have servers on both the West and East coast.
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    I welcome it. Never used any addons incl Gshade or ACT even since I started XIV in 1.0. I see all unofficial addons and mods as a form of cheating no matter how little and not affects me gameplay. As what Yoshida says. Why make content if people cheat with Addons, aka Gameplay is being affected indirectly in some ways xD


    Strike down harder on violators and permaban on 1st time violation. Its been said time and time again it is strictly forbidden so no need for a warning ban first. Enough is enough.
    Addons was the reason I quit WOW i played from 2004 to 2011 as the amount of addons was becoming stupid and I worry XIV will become the same if not start punishing this abuse
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    Possibly the best things for MMOs going forward would be for FF14 to come down hard and ban them. The game would collapse and all future MMOs made would look at it and see that mod support is the future of gaming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Necrotica View Post
    Possibly the best things for MMOs going forward would be for FF14 to come down hard and ban them. The game would collapse and all future MMOs made would look at it and see that mod support is the future of gaming.
    I see modders as a detriment to gaming personally but thats just me.
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