Lottery Bad Luck Protection

[Reinha]

Lich which seems like one of the more populated worlds in Europe, the only times you had literally hundreds of tickets was when you had literally 1 medium crop up all because the devs have disabled auto demolition and adding more wards in the future, it would likely result in most people eventually getting what they want, or at least being happy with what they have, or give them more hope at getting what they want.

Lich has houses available for personal bidders, so you clearly just want a system that would give an advantage when competing for the better and bigger plots. An advantage that would be unfair, because you are not more deserving of a medium or a large plot just because you really want one. If there are 0 bid plots available then anyone can get a house, and if anyone can get a house they don't need bad luck protection.

[AlanJust]

I thought people were joking with the whole clicking the placard thing being a good system, but clearly you guys aren't. Placard clicking was definitely a terrible system and the lottery system should have been implemented years ago as soon as there were signs of a housing shortage. Lets face it, it's an open secret that most people used dubious ways to get houses and the devs knew it too just like they aren't blind to all the plugins/mods and even are looking at implementing quality of life elements from plugins. And the only real winners of the placard clicking were those who used dubious methods of automation who were able to at least monitor their computer all day... which begs the question that anyone still in favour of that system most definitely used those methods.

Now, the lottery does indeed suck a lot of the time, especially when you can spend a year bidding on every plot and lose each time, then a first timer comes along and wins. More salt in the wound when you go back weeks/months later and the place hasn't been touched, not even a summoning bell.

Hence why I proposed a system where you increase the amount of tickets after each failed bid until you win at which point it resets. Is it open for abuse as people suggest? Yes and no, people could inadvertently screw themselves over by trying to rack up tickets and then win a plot they actually didn't want which would reset their tickets back to 1. This definitely would work on normal realms. Even on Lich which seems like one of the more populated worlds in Europe, the only times you had literally hundreds of tickets was when you had literally 1 medium crop up all because the devs have disabled auto demolition and adding more wards in the future, it would likely result in most people eventually getting what they want, or at least being happy with what they have, or give them more hope at getting what they want.

Also, add an upstairs to small houses. :3

I would never ask for the Placard clicking back, but I certainly feel like it was a strong barrier to entry for people who "really" wanted a house. It saddens me to see people bid on plots; then do nothing with them, or simply abandon it the following week, and some don't even claim their plot when the lottery period ends.

I wish for more barriers to entering the lottery, as the demand for plots is still insanely high.

[Arohk]

Players: "I can't be online at all hours of the day competing with other players who are trying to get a house. I have a job and a family and a life. I shouldn't be forced to take time off or cancel plans to get a house when the servers come online. Houses shouldn't cost more gil because I can't make that much gil and I shouldn't have to. Housing shouldn't be gated by grindy requirements because that would be unfair to casuals who don't have a lot of play time. We should get a lottery anyone can win."

Players after getting what they wanted: "Not like this. I want preferential treatment. Something needs to be done about all these other players who are winning houses before me."

You forgot that everyone should get a mansion because small houses are for losers.

[Seraphor]

You might need to take off these goggles cause they are giving you some issues.
"Fairness", depends on several factors, not just having Gil and being lucky but should also factor in effort, planning, and persistence.
The lottery system isn't "fair and square", there are FCs taking up entire wards using that "very fair" lottery system, multiple accounts exploiting the chances with botting still evident having empty large plots.
I lost twice to placard-bots back in the day before getting my house, and I still believe I had better odds back then compared to the current system.

I would never ask for the Placard clicking back, but I certainly feel like it was a strong barrier to entry for people who "really" wanted a house. It saddens me to see people bid on plots; then do nothing with them, or simply abandon it the following week, and some don't even claim their plot when the lottery period ends.

I wish for more barriers to entering the lottery, as the demand for plots is still insanely high.

So you don't want the placard clicking system back. Good, there's hope for you yet.

Of course there are things that can be improved, but there is no question that the current system is completely fair. Everyone gets the same opportunities. That is the definition of fair. What they do with those opportunities is their business, and anyone else's opinion on those actions is simply borne from jealousy.
If someone wants to bid for a house simply to use it as a stop gap with an aetheryte and a retainer bell, that's their business. It's disappointing, but it's fair. You can't tell other people how to decorate their homes.
FC's have multiple people, and therefore they get multiple opportunities to get their one single house, because it's multiple people using it, that's fair, because every FC can do the same thing.
People who play multiple characters or pay for multiple accounts, are entitled to put their bid in for a house on each of those characters/accounts. That's what everyone is entitled to in this system. That's fair.
They're all still playing exactly the same odds, they all have the same deal, all pay the same amount of gil, etc. You can't bot your way into a house anymore btw, everyone's ticket is equally weighted.

I'm not opposed to raising barriers (if they're equal for everyone) to entry into housing. I've been in favour of raising the cost of Medium and Large plots to more closely match the demand for those limited plots.
And if they were to change the rules as to how many houses can be owned per service account, then that new qualifier would also be fair under the lottery system, as it would apply equally to everyone.
As long as the same rules apply to everyone, it's fair. The same couldn't be said of placard clicking, because it could be exploited via autoclickers, and featured the incredibly unreasonable requirement to be 100% present for up to 18 hours straight. Even Ultimate Raiding isn't that harsh.

[Sindele]

It won't happen for the same reason many other changes won't happen: an obvious priority is to keep new players on equal footing with veterans. "Bad luck protection" is the same as saying "get in line".

[Elevin]

Lich has houses available for personal bidders, so you clearly just want a system that would give an advantage when competing for the better and bigger plots. An advantage that would be unfair, because you are not more deserving of a medium or a large plot just because you really want one. If there are 0 bid plots available then anyone can get a house, and if anyone can get a house they don't need bad luck protection.

Indeed, I do want a system that gives better odds to persistent players. You see all the salty posts around and admittedly I am salty after losing several mediums to people that have left them to rot since the lottery system first started and they clearly had no interest in housing in the first place, yet got lucky and won. And just checked the last 2 mediums I lost on...both houses have no gardens, one of them has no aetheryte and both of them have no summoning bells inside, nor decorations. Quite frankly, it's depressing for myself and others who are genuinely interested and love housing that you can bang your head against a brick wall every 9 days because your 20th attempt on a house amounted to nothing whilst some first timer comes along and wins...

[Reinha]

Indeed, I do want a system that gives better odds to persistent players. You see all the salty posts around and admittedly I am salty after losing several mediums to people that have left them to rot since the lottery system first started and they clearly had no interest in housing in the first place, yet got lucky and won. And just checked the last 2 mediums I lost on...both houses have no gardens, one of them has no aetheryte and both of them have no summoning bells inside, nor decorations. Quite frankly, it's depressing for myself and others who are genuinely interested and love housing that you can bang your head against a brick wall every 9 days because your 20th attempt on a house amounted to nothing whilst some first timer comes along and wins...

You don't know that they are first timers or that they aren't going to decorate at some point. There's no reason to get angry at how other people choose to play the game. They have to bid all the time because in a random system there is no knowing when they're going to win, and sometimes people win when they are busy with other things. Your suggestion would further encourage people to keep bidding even if they are not that interested in housing at the moment.

What you are asking for is a queue thinking you will be at the front of it, which is basically the most convenient and beneficial system for you. What if bad luck protection was only offered to people who have been playing for more than 6 years and have never owned a house? Would you still want their bid to have more weight than yours on those mediums you are looking for?

[Seraphor]

Indeed, I do want a system that gives better odds to persistent players. You see all the salty posts around and admittedly I am salty after losing several mediums to people that have left them to rot since the lottery system first started and they clearly had no interest in housing in the first place, yet got lucky and won. And just checked the last 2 mediums I lost on...both houses have no gardens, one of them has no aetheryte and both of them have no summoning bells inside, nor decorations. Quite frankly, it's depressing for myself and others who are genuinely interested and love housing that you can bang your head against a brick wall every 9 days because your 20th attempt on a house amounted to nothing whilst some first timer comes along and wins...

Persistent players do already have better odds through the nature of being persistent.
If you bid for a plot in two separate rounds of lottery, you already have twice the chances of someone who bid in one round of the lottery.
Every 9 days you can roll the dice again, gaining one additional chance to win a plot. Each bid in each subsequent round is another ticket.

You might only have a small chance of winning, lets say there's 10 bids on average so it's 10%. Well you play 10 rounds and statistically you'll win one of them.

And yes, it may be depressing, but what people do with their plot is 100% their business. If they keep their house locked up and their garden is empty except for an aetheryte, that's their choice. You can't tell people what to do with their houses, any more than someone could come along and tell you how to decorate yours.
It would be wonderful if everyone would decorate their gardens and open up their houses for visitors, but you can't make them.

[Nepentha]

Wow, not even trying to hide your toxic ideals behind some disingenuous fallacy argument. Respect.


Demonstrably not true, everyone gets a fair shot.
And who do you think was getting houses before the lottery system? What kind of people have auto-clicking software readily available?

You read me wrong, friend. I was talking about the placard click system, the lotto can't be botted.

[Themarvin]

Getting a +1 like you do in eg. Bozzja alike content with the 1v1 fights wont work... other than everyone suddenly got the max +3 bonus to get a housing plot.

RNG is what it is... you put your money on a lottery ticket and got a chance to get picked by those others who did the same.

If you got no house and all you do is is to bid on medium and large you decrease your chances as many try those... if you want to increase your chance for a large or medium... get a cottage first.... once that is done... you can wait and see untill an hour or something before the lottery numbers is picked and see which house of your prefered destination has the least bets on them and try that.