Return old rewards to provide more incentive for veterans to PvP.

[RyanCousland]

The carrot on a stick does not work in this game. It never has. People find a way to game the system because it's poorly designed.

and what may i ask are you implying by this? are you perhaps agreeing with the OP's accusation of cheating in pvp? .......interesting, wouldnt that then give credence to the OP's suggestion or will you move the goalpost and gaslight some more, im curious about your response

[Elfidan]

Nobody knows what your achievements are Ryan they aren't visible. What gear should we look at since Paladin is all you have visible by the way.

Even if you only have 1 other job you play at max level this is low effort.

Is there cheating? Yes there is. Is everyone better than the OP cheating? No not by a long shot.

When I say regularly I am referring to people who have enough perspective to comment on the changes. You don't however have to have cleared PotD or HoH to know things like the healing increases on certain jobs or damage buffs on others have in fact made it easier.

You misuse gaslight and trolling because you don't understand what the terms mean. I explained gaslight and you dodged that so let's explain trolling. Trolling is an adopted term by gamers that mean to purposely infuriate or work at upsetting. Having a different opinion and explaining why on a FORUM is not in fact trolling. If it is, then congratulations because you too are guilty of trolling as well as ninety percent of all posters.

You hang on what you assume is a misuse of regularly, but you miss punctuation and capitalization all over the place which yes indeed is in itself grammatically incorrect.

I think I'm done wasting time reading your terrible ideas and awful rebuttals. Despite this I wish you well in whatever you do.

[4clubbedace]

It's not too surprising that the point has sailed completely over your head. I'm not talking about repetition of clears making subsequent clears easier. I'm literally telling you that they have become easier because of how scaling works. PotD and HoH solo are exactly the same in that modifications to jobs or scaling post addition or new expansions makes them easier because your character power is greater. The clear rate has definitely increased since the beginning of all of these activities. None of you examples refute anything because you are comparing ranked rewards for demonstration of skill within a set time period to evergreen activities which can be completed any time before the game finally shuts down.



You can always tell someone is grasping at straws when they cry grammar, however you seem to have forgotten the golden rule. If you want to attack someone you cannot then make the same mistake yourself. What's worse is you follow it up by claiming I'm trolling because I happen to disagree with you. Perhaps you should go shout at a wall instead of posting to a forum? It's also pretty rich coming from someone who made a million replies to his own thread begging for paladin buffs because he's too lazy to learn to play it. What rank are you now Ryan? You're wearing pantheon gear to boot so probably don't talk about PVE while you're at it ok?



The carrot on a stick does not work in this game. It never has. People find a way to game the system because it's poorly designed. I think you should probably look words up before you use them. Just because you heard someone else say them once doesn't mean you can just fire them off because you think they sound cool. More grammar errors from the grammar nazi here as well by the way.




This is a common misconception. The previous seasons top one hundred rewards are not in fact FOMO. FOMO implies that you could obtain them if you had been playing but they they were limited time and removed. Thus you remain subscribed in fear of missing out on such items. These items could only be obtained by 100 people per data center. They are not FOMO.

Again, no Sinstrel. You should not have access to something that was someone else's achievement rewards by grinding.

theyre absolutely FOMO what are you talking about

they are a LIMITED item, and this is why pvp will never be as popular and you have people like that Ahri person win trading to hell, top 100 and seasons are absolutely fomo, and no amount of effort after the fact will ever matter. This is why ultimates will always have more llongevity.

In reality he top 100 and the world race both have the same "feel" of flexing but both fundementally dont matter, but the gear and mounts? gone forver , can you imagine how infuriating its be if ult weapons and titles were for the first 20 clears?

[4clubbedace]

As long as bought with wolf marks/collars and only rewards older than 4 years.

i think thats a fair compromise, things wayyyy older than can be bought with (a lot) of wolf collars is a fair compromise, should also up the rate of wolf collars you get per rank per top 100 too. So if u do make top 100 then you can buy an old set ezpz.

[RyanCousland]

Nobody knows what your achievements are Ryan they aren't visible. What gear should we look at since Paladin is all you have visible by the way.

Even if you only have 1 other job you play at max level this is low effort.

you absolutely can see another's achievement, its how i know you've never done a savage that hasnt been unsync and i believe that pic say's whitemage, which has lunar envoy and abyssos gear which you would know if you did any savage, also i can do any role in savage content so i wouldnt call that low effort

Is there cheating? Yes there is. Is everyone better than the OP cheating? No not by a long shot.

so if theres cheating would this extend to the top 100? if so then wouldnt that make the rewarding of these supposed cheaters questionable and if that is indeed the case would it not behoove SE or the 14 team to design a difficult but accessible means to achieve such rewards and potentially bring in more people to PVP, now ive stated i dont believe theres that much cheating going on but based on what you've admitted it does reinforce the questionable integrity of the past seasons

You misuse gaslight and trolling because you don't understand what the terms mean. I explained gaslight and you dodged that so let's explain trolling. Trolling is an adopted term by gamers that mean to purposely infuriate or work at upsetting. Having a different opinion and explaining why on a FORUM is not in fact trolling. If it is, then congratulations because you too are guilty of trolling as well as ninety percent of all posters.

I did in fact tell you how you were gaslighting but you dont read well might be your eyesight seeing as how you cant tell the pic you used says whitemage, so i didnt dodge anything, interesting that you defined trolling in a succinct way because you have demonstrated it numerous times, im well aware of the distinction between trolling and disagreeing because if you look through the thread i started you'll see there were only 2 people i named as trolls, that displayed the characteristics of your definition

You hang on what you assume is a misuse of regularly, but you miss punctuation and capitalization all over the place which yes indeed is in itself grammatically incorrect.I think I'm done wasting time reading your terrible ideas and awful rebuttals. Despite this I wish you well in whatever you do.

again youre conflating grammar which is about language, and punctuation which is about the proper use of writing symbols i.e commas,periods and capitalization ect, which again i dont fault anyone for punctuation, i wish you well too lalafam

[RyanCousland]

Nobody knows what your achievements are Ryan they aren't visible. What gear should we look at since Paladin is all you have visible by the way.

i just realized i had it on private and that you were speaking specifically and not in the general sense but i changed to public so by all means have a gander, as for the other gear not sure how i would go about making that visible

[Commander_Justitia]

I do not and never have claimed every body in the top 100 is cheating because that's silly and ridiculous. There's no big illuminati cheating conspiracy it's just a few bad apples that spoil the bunch.

You seem have changed a little then from this quote last time.

So very many of the top players are breaking the T.O.S. it's almost easy to think every person listed in the top 100 is also.

Anyway, there was a time where I would have agreed with changes to the exclusive reward structure. That time has passed. This has become a casual PvP mode which is less competetive than Mahjong, rewarding people with tournament gold medals for simple existing and paying sub feels very ridiciulous.

[Chasingstars]

Why not just have the old rewards, before 6.1 and also 6.1 onward, be like something you purchase with wolf collars? Since you need 1000 trophy crystals to buy one wolf collar, the price could be like 25 wolf collars for the false monarchy set in the future. As it acts as a sink for excess currency or as an alternative means for those who missed out. And this incentivizes people to keep playing pvp content.

[brancinaed]

You seem have changed a little then from this quote last time.



Anyway, there was a time where I would have agreed with changes to the exclusive reward structure. That time has passed. This has become a casual PvP mode which is less competetive than Mahjong, rewarding people with tournament gold medals for simple existing and paying sub feels very ridiciulous.

I stand by both statements because they are not mutually exclusive. It's easy to think the top 100 are all breaking the rules because so many people do it they cast shadows on the good name of others. Honestly I'm surprised people think cheating in a PvP game won't get them called out. Check out this video on cheating in PvP games! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5LfGcDB7Ek
It's a good take on a perspective of the problem.


I think you should use any tournament legal means to win. If you participate in some strange tournament where all players are allowed to use a map hack, then go for it. You’re playing a rather weird, nonstandard version of the game, though, which defeats the whole purpose of shedding extra rules so as to play the same game as everyone else.

Words from the community about this
"In speed running, they have a similar phenomenon, described as, "they don't cheat to get a faster time, they cheat to get a time faster". Ie, they're good enough to get the best results, but they take a shortcut to get them faster and justify it as "well I didn't need to, this just sped up what would have happened anyway" "

"it's usually better players that has the incentive to cheat for success. Mentally, they feel like the game 'owes' them success, that they 'deserve' what they will get out of when they cheat because they do grind their skill level to a substantial level; skill-wise, they also know way more then enough about their game to cheat and cover their tracks so that it's very hard to find out that they cheat even if they do cheat."

"The most important things is when high skill players cheat they can hide their cheating a lot better than beginners, because they already know what's going on and what can they do to make it look like they are not cheating."

"Many exposed cheater in speed run communities are really good runners, but they are frustrated with something like RNG or consistency so they cheat."

"All the players are doing it very discreetly. They know how to play, but they're performing a bit worse then normal so it doesn’t even look like a throw just a normal bad match. That part of the issue why it took so long to notice. Much like how the example of the speed runner who cheat has been used here. They did it to get the small competitor edge they need to secure the line basically and to be honest it happen on a lot of ranked games in high brackets."


If you want to get into how the exclusive rewards are RMT'd, and have a long history of it, I'm happy to. But other people might get mad at you for goading me into talking about this more. It's not a good look when tons of people know y'know?

[AtomicBomb]

Everytime this same thread is posted, I check CC/The Feast rankings for the OP and not once have I found them in any season. Sounds like a skill issue.