Please bring back Kaiten

[BaconBits]

All this drama over Kaiten when we should be pouring one out for Seigan.

RIP in pizza nifty little counter attack animation, you will be missed.

[SassyAssassin]

All this drama over Kaiten when we should be pouring one out for Seigan.

RIP in pizza nifty little counter attack animation, you will be missed.

Who’s Seigan? Is he pretty too?

[Deveryn]

Who’s Seigan? Is he pretty too?

Karl? Wasn't he an astrologian?

[Hurlstone]

Who’s Seigan? Is he pretty too?

Seigan? I barly know her.

[giwaman]

Give Kaiten to it's rightful owner (MCH) plzzz....!!!!

[RyuuZero]

What a Read! Well Now I'm in the mood to explain:
Kaiten was the First Skill that Introduced the Kenki Resource to the Samurai, automaticly labelling the Kenki Resource to boost your Weaponskills, for just 20 Kenki. They also added Shinten and Kyuten in order to skim off excess Kenki. There was a remarkable Interation with Iaijutsu and Kenki, thanks to Kaiten. Well that Aspect is now gone. Kenki feels needlessly tagged on in comparison, you could claim that "DRG's Life Surge does the same as Kaiten", yeah but does Life Surge was Dragon Gauge Interactivity? No, it's on a 40second cool down with 2 charges.. lol, meanwhile Samurai had to keep 20 Kenki for every next Midare Setsugekka (and additionally Higanbana and Cone Tenka Goken) to hit BIG and it felt so Good! Now without Kaiten.. How does the Samurai Rotation look like? What are you using Kenki for? Do you spam Shinten like a Bitch?

[Wyssahtyn]

oh, they moved this from gen discussion to the dps forum. well, better than just outright deleting it, i suppose.

[VictorSpoils]

Ya, outside of trials and some dungeons there's rarely instances anymore where there is forced downtime with an untargatable boss, especially in savage fights. Those skills have been losing their purpose since 5.0 lol.

Hagakure has to go first.

[CelestiCer]

Kaiten will not come back.

It's too difficult to balance the job when the off-GCD damage ressource interacts with the GCD damage in such a way.

You have to make sure that Shinten spam is always stronger than Kaiten spam while at the same time Shinten spam is always weaker than using Kaiten in specific situations.

What that means is that when they have to increase SAMs dps they can't simply increase the potency of the combo finishers and be done with it because it could happen that Kaiten on the combo finisher would become stronger than using Shinten. So they have to increase the potency of Shinten. But they have to make sure that Shinten does not become Stronger than Kaiten on your 3-Sticker-Attack.
Plus they have backed themself into a corner when it comes to adding new skills.

So what could they do? Kaiten interacts only with that one other skill? Sounds like the button bloat they said they wanted to remove when they took Kaiten away.

The mistake was to remove Kaiten mid-expansion with nothing new to add to the gameplay for another 2 years, not that they removed Kaiten in general.

What in the...

[CelestiCer]

FF14 Community explaining why your DPS job can't have more than 1 button.

There's the based take, thank god for this one