Can we cut the ward system and finally go for instanced

[Ayan_Calvesse]

Your mindset is horribly warped for this almost as if stating 'I dont want peasants to have houses'.
As a paying customer, I can not take part in something ive been trying to do for the last year. Instanced housing you'd probably find to use up less space than the current housing system.

If this was incorporated into the Island system, this could also work really well, a system already in place with enough for every single player without being gated by a lotto system. Increase the gil price to build on the land (and please people stop saying you will pay more money for it, you're already paying for it with your sub!) There is no excuse to not do this, other than the standing wall of 'sense of community' that keeps getting shilled out, I do admit the only wards that benefit from a sense of community are the FC wards due to some FC's hanging out at the FC house. However private housing in a community sense, is as dead as a zombie mauled by a bear smashed with a steamroller and a slab of concrete dropped on its head.

You misread my intentions I think.

The logic is that there is a technical issue with instanced housing and the old saying "Anything given has no value". This includes accomplishments. When housing was introduced the average person could not afford even a small. As resources of players increased; the bar to enter housing did not and this resulted in everyone entering the system; while those ahead of the median income were able to dominate the market which created the original issue of housing resellers; it was literally the rich getting richer.

Contrary to popular belief of people who do not seem to have homes; but are somehow aware of how the day to day of home ownership goes - community is a thing which wards help to promote.

Instanced housing removes the effort to achieve getting a house which is now sadly a matter of perseverance; which I know might seem to be a dirty word in the era of instant gratification.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...-gratification

Basically covers why if everyone was sitting in a Shiro 30/Mists 5; they would leave the game before long as was once outlined in incredibles - when everyone is special then no one is. The point of a large then ceases to matter and they might as well at that point do away with housing sizes all together and simple say "Here is a plot - you got 400 items; go"

[Mr_Happy]

Coming from an MMO player of 20+ years who has played all the big titles and many smaller ones as well.

You need to fix the housing system in this game.

SE flames any elitist behavior in their game but then goes on to make an elitist housing market where only a handful of players are able to own a house.

I know you like to have wards and neighborhoods which you can still keep for the elitist players.

BUT you NEED to add some instanced housing options for the rest of the players.

ALL players should be able to have a property to build on and decorate as they see fit. This is a MAJOR issue in an MMO to limit a persons artistic expression.

Housing and glams is the real endgame and the carrot on the stick for many players to keep playing the game...

I lost my housing bid and do not see another opportunity anytime in the future to be able to purchase a house since I am told you rarely ever add houses to the game.

I do not see myself playing this game for very long with no house and no carrot on the stick to motivate me to keep playing this game.

The housing system in FF14 is already very very basic and simple. ESO had the best housing system. Even Lost Ark's mobile style housing system was superior the one SE is using.

The best thing to do moving forward is to convert all wards to FC only and allow each player to purchase an instanced small med or large depending on their budget.

EVERY player should have a house not just a handful of elite players.

[ameliaw]

Coming from an MMO player of 20+ years who has played all the big titles and many smaller ones as well.

You need to fix the housing system in this game.

SE flames any elitist behavior in their game but then goes on to make an elitist housing market where only a handful of players are able to own a house.

I know you like to have wards and neighborhoods which you can still keep for the elitist players.

BUT you NEED to add some instanced housing options for the rest of the players.

ALL players should be able to have a property to build on and decorate as they see fit. This is a MAJOR issue in an MMO to limit a persons artistic expression.

Housing and glams is the real endgame and the carrot on the stick for many players to keep playing the game...

I lost my housing bid and do not see another opportunity anytime in the future to be able to purchase a house since I am told you rarely ever add houses to the game.

I do not see myself playing this game for very long with no house and no carrot on the stick to motivate me to keep playing this game.

The housing system in FF14 is already very very basic and simple. ESO had the best housing system. Even Lost Ark's mobile style housing system was superior the one SE is using.

The best thing to do moving forward is to convert all wards to FC only and allow each player to purchase an instanced small med or large depending on their budget.

EVERY player should have a house not just a handful of elite players.

Changing all wards to FC and giving instanced homes to players would be a great solution and it should have been SE's choice from the start(instead of opening houses to personal buyers), but you can bet people would still not be satisfied with that.

[Mr_Happy]

Keep it going everyone mega thread style

[CheshaSolttiri]

Instanced hiding would allow (hopefully) the ability to choose the scenery, La Noscea, Kugane, Sharlyan or Radz-at-Han, etc. And also slow for actually functioning Windows and patios and balconies. Why is this game so... Just weird, like stop making excuses and build real things instead of strange half-fixes like fake windows.

[Khryseis_Astra]

The alternative is to make ward people 2nd class citizens; and given that securing ward housing IS more difficult to acquire it would not make sense to just give everyone the best. the result would be everyone would touch it for a week and then just clutter up the system.

Why does anyone need to feel like a second class citizen? Instanced housing would take nothing away from the ward housing owners, just give equal access to housing for those not lucky enough to win the lotto.

I’m not in favor of a tax for either system. If someone gets an instanced home and winds up not using it, where’s the harm there? If it’s not is use, it’s not putting any strain on the server, nor is it denying anyone else a chance to use housing, unlike unused ward homes that collect dust while others go without.

And the nice thing about instanced, is that it would be easily possible to let everyone have their dream plot. Everyone gets what they want, without taking anything away from anyone else.

[Ayan_Calvesse]

Why does anyone need to feel like a second class citizen? Instanced housing would take nothing away from the ward housing owners, just give equal access to housing for those not lucky enough to win the lotto.

I’m not in favor of a tax for either system. If someone gets an instanced home and winds up not using it, where’s the harm there? If it’s not is use, it’s not putting any strain on the server, nor is it denying anyone else a chance to use housing, unlike unused ward homes that collect dust while others go without.

And the nice thing about instanced, is that it would be easily possible to let everyone have their dream plot. Everyone gets what they want, without taking anything away from anyone else.

To address the underlined - because the instanced system would require zero effort to achieve the penultimate goal of those who are competing for housing. it diminishes the accomplishments of others by handing it over.
The Bold point is actually not true; for it to be accessible and able to be queried it needs to exist; even if not loaded at the time. This is the crux of the problem with island sanctuary at the moment and why it becomes unable to be accessed sometimes because if there are a lot of people using it. The reason island sanctuary is somewhat viable is because there are actually VERY little variables involved in one. They all are essentially identical except for which of the 3 options people put in the "slots" - housing is exponentially larger with its variables. I have not dug too much into the tech of IS however but seems to me like essentially having a bunch of IS's where people are just phased to not see each other or their minions/pets/crops would essentially be the same as each having their own.

Finally with instanced - its just instant gratification. I see my struggle to relo to a med like any other challenge - I will earn it through the means provided. Its like; why can't we just do ultimates unsynced? Some folks would love the special plates/titles/weapon skins?

[Krakksie]

Finally with instanced - its just instant gratification. I see my struggle to relo to a med like any other challenge - I will earn it through the means provided. Its like; why can't we just do ultimates unsynced? Some folks would love the special plates/titles/weapon skins?

It wouldnt be instant gratification at all. You've spent time to earn the gil to buy the property, you spent time to grind, time which will never come back to you. Id rather be able to get the item I spent all my time building for than to be denied by an RNG system time and time again for over a year. At this point getting the actual item will feel more of a frustrational relief, Which is really not a good system at all in the slightest.

By no means is this a challenge at all, you can not earn a random house. You win one through sheer luck of an RNG system. This system needs to change.

Also to counter act the statement of "Anything given has no value", you bought the house with gil earnt, while also linking above, you can not earn something which is random. I have been sitting on 63m for quite a while now, with nothing to spend on, this housing system would change that. you'd see crafters finally having new people to sell to, more people changing their properties trying out new designs, which in turn would make a more beneficial system for all rather than the one showboater with a mansion and a namazu fire effigy on the front left for 3 years without anything added or changed to it.

The option to instance should... actually must be an option at this point. When you've lost for a year straight on every single lotto this screams something needs to change.

[Ayan_Calvesse]

It wouldnt be instant gratification at all. You've spent time to earn the gil to buy the property, you spent time to grind, time which will never come back to you. Id rather be able to get the item I spent all my time building for than to be denied by an RNG system time and time again for over a year. At this point getting the actual item will feel more of a frustrational relief, Which is really not a good system at all in the slightest.

By no means is this a challenge at all, you can not earn a random house. You win one through sheer luck of an RNG system. This system needs to change.

Also to counter act the statement of "Anything given has no value", you bought the house with gil earnt, while also linking above, you can not earn something which is random. I have been sitting on 63m for quite a while now, with nothing to spend on, this housing system would change that. you'd see crafters finally having new people to sell to, more people changing their properties trying out new designs, which in turn would make a more beneficial system for all rather than the one showboater with a mansion and a namazu fire effigy on the front left for 3 years without anything added or changed to it.

The option to instance should... actually must be an option at this point. When you've lost for a year straight on every single lotto this screams something needs to change.

Not all of us got their home in the lotto - some of us had to compete for months in click off's and could not simply walk up and ask a friend to loan them 3 million gil. You can literally beg for millions of gil now with almost zero effort. I agree a totally RNG system blows - but there are still homes to bid on even after this.

The reality is there is a shortage of supply - I would address the causes of the shortage in the system BEFORE building a entirely new system. Shell FC's in my opinion should not be a thing.

[Jojoya]

Not all of us got their home in the lotto - some of us had to compete for months in click off's and could not simply walk up and ask a friend to loan them 3 million gil. You can literally beg for millions of gil now with almost zero effort. I agree a totally RNG system blows - but there are still homes to bid on even after this.

The reality is there is a shortage of supply - I would address the causes of the shortage in the system BEFORE building a entirely new system. Shell FC's in my opinion should not be a thing.

Just because some of us have been around long enough to have suffered under an even worse system isn't justification to make newer players also suffer through a bad system.

The cause of the shortage of supply is SE choosing to use a ward system in the first place. It is not very flexible nor able to adapt to a rapidly growing players base. Instanced housing can.

The best way to fix the supply is to go with a full featured instanced housing system. Other games have done so successfully. They don't have the drama over housing that we have. Any player could get any housing location they wanted through their own effort and merit instead of relying on RNG to maybe gift them with a location they really want.