7.0 Poster Class

**Vahlnir** · 01-29-2023 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

I'm so banking hard on the new class being Geomancer but we'll see

Unfortunately, they've ingrained a lot of elements from other classes/jobs into the ones that exist, so adding something else in a similar vein could be seen at redundant by the devs. That's not to say that Geomancer and other jobs with similar thematic elements to current ones couldn't happen, but I do feel that it is highly unlikely. If I am proven wrong in the future, then that's fine. Great, even.

**Atelier-Bagur** · 01-29-2023 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Unfortunately, they've ingrained a lot of elements from other classes/jobs into the ones that exist, so adding something else in a similar vein could be seen at redundant by the devs. That's not to say that Geomancer and other jobs with similar thematic elements to current ones couldn't happen, but I do feel that it is highly unlikely. If I am proven wrong in the future, then that's fine. Great, even.

What other classes in particular, like Black Mage and Summoner? The whole idea of Geomancy is to control the earthly elements/weather to damage enemies or buff allies. In traditional FF games, they wield either Bells or Axes; though since axe is already used by Warriors, their weapon of choice would most likely be bells which is still a weapon type unique enough to introduce into FFXIV.

**Vahlnir** · 01-29-2023 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

What other classes in particular, like Black Mage and Summoner? The whole idea of Geomancy is to control the earthly elements/weather to damage enemies or buff allies. In traditional FF games, they wield either Bells or Axes; though since axe is already used by Warriors, their weapon of choice would most likely be bells which is still a weapon type unique enough to introduce into FFXIV.

CNJ and WHM share/shared some elements, mostly from the nature aspect, like stone/wind themed spells, Stoneskin and Stone for example, the first of which was removed but is still used by random NPCs. Archer and BRD shares traits with, well, BRD and Ranger. Warrior has Viking-like traits and abilities, all while wielding a giant axe. I could go on, but I think my point has been made. They've combined a lot of past FF jobs into the ones we have now in FF XIV as hybrids of sorts. I'm not opposed to them branching out though. I'm just calling it as I see it.

**MikkoAkure** · 01-31-2023 03:26 AM

Originally Posted by Vahlnir

CNJ and WHM share/shared some elements, mostly from the nature aspect, like stone/wind themed spells, Stoneskin and Stone for example, the first of which was removed but is still used by random NPCs. Archer and BRD shares traits with, well, BRD and Ranger. Warrior has Viking-like traits and abilities, all while wielding a giant axe. I could go on, but I think my point has been made. They've combined a lot of past FF jobs into the ones we have now in FF XIV as hybrids of sorts. I'm not opposed to them branching out though. I'm just calling it as I see it.

To add onto this, Yoshi-P has already said that any future jobs will likely not come from the FF catalog of jobs and be completely new.

Originally Posted by Yoshi-P

Job names are especially tough. After all, there’s no point if a job is similar to its namesake in name only; its gameplay experience needs to match their pre-established design too. At this point, I’m thinking we have no choice but to come up with brand new jobs that haven’t appeared in the FF series before.

Originally Posted by Matsui

As long as new game elements aren’t being introduced, new jobs are designed to fulfill a battle role that can already be filled by an existing job. That said, we can’t release a superior version of a certain job, and a new job that offers the same experience as an existing one would defeat the purpose of adding a new job. In that sense, it’s very difficult to come up with a new job.

Geomancer is already Conjurer from both a gameplay and a lore point of view while also getting tied as a parallel to Astrologian. I don't expect a healer to come out in 7.0 considering they already went through an effort to sort out the 3 we had before to make room for a 4th.

It would be nice to add a scouting job since there's only 1 that uses that gear and that would round us out to 2 striking, 2 maiming, and 2 scouting DoW. Beyond that, I wouldn't have a guess. Maybe a prestige version of BLU that's balanced for group play that's unlocked if you complete all the BLU content.

Or maybe if we go to the New World, BLU is the poster class itself anyway.

**Seraphor** · 01-31-2023 03:31 AM

Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

To add onto this, Yoshi-P has already said that any future jobs will likely not come from the FF catalog of jobs and be completely new.

Geomancer is already Conjurer from both a gameplay and a lore point of view while also getting tied as a parallel to Astrologian. I don't expect a healer to come out in 7.0 considering they already went through an effort to sort out the 3 we had before to make room for a 4th.

It would be nice to add a scouting job since there's only 1 that uses that gear and that would round us out to 2 striking, 2 maiming, and 2 scouting DoW. Beyond that, I wouldn't have a guess. Maybe a prestige version of BLU that's balanced for group play that's unlocked if you complete all the BLU content.

Or maybe if we go to the New World, BLU is the poster class itself anyway.

GEO wouldn't need to be too similar to CNJ or AST if it was a Magical DPS Job rather than a healer. Which is how it should be anyway, more in line with Yanxian Geomancy, and with a focus on ground effects and positional based mechanics, using Wind and Water elemental spells. We have yet to have any serious Water spell representation outside of BLU.
An alternative that would carry over many of the same themes and aesthetics could be Onmyoji.

BLU as a regular job being our "new" job would also be hugely disappointing. We expect a new job, not a recycled job.

But I agree that a Scouting job is most likely.

**MikkoAkure** · 01-31-2023 04:21 AM

Originally Posted by Seraphor

GEO wouldn't need to be too similar to CNJ or AST if it was a Magical DPS Job rather than a healer. Which is how it should be anyway, more in line with Yanxian Geomancy, and with a focus on ground effects and positional based mechanics, using Wind and Water elemental spells. We have yet to have any serious Water spell representation outside of BLU.
An alternative that would carry over many of the same themes and aesthetics could be Onmyoji.

The geomancer we have in the game uses conjurer assets and the NPC even uses a CNJ wand. The lore book also says outright that geomancy is a combination of conjury and astromancy and there's a whole plot point that using Astrologian healing spells intertwines with geomancy. If they're not supposed to be a healer, or even if they are and they're introduced as a playable job, I'd imagine there would need to be some retconning in the AST questline considering the whole SB part was set up to show how it's the eastern version of AST.

Onmyojutsu is in the lore book as being the eastern version of thaumaturgy, where their magic is all about balancing umbral and astral magic exactly like a THM or BLM.

Considering we're probably not going to get any healers, probably not going to get anything from a previous FF, not going to get anything too similar as something else per the interview quotes I posted, and probably not getting a new pet job considering how those have been greatly diminished, we're not likely to get either of these.

**Seraphor** · 01-31-2023 04:27 AM

Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

The geomancer we have in the game uses conjurer assets and the NPC even uses a CNJ wand. The lore book also says outright that geomancy is a combination of conjury and astromancy and there's a whole plot point that using Astrologian healing spells intertwines with geomancy. If they're not supposed to be a healer, or even if they are and they're introduced as a playable job, I'd imagine there would need to be some retconning in the AST questline considering the whole SB part was set up to show how it's the eastern version of AST.

Onmyojutsu is in the lore book as being the eastern version of thaumaturgy, where their magic is all about balancing umbral and astral magic exactly like a THM or BLM.

Considering we're probably not going to get any healers, probably not going to get anything from a previous FF, not going to get anything too similar as something else per the interview quotes I posted, and probably not getting a new pet job considering how those have been greatly diminished, we're not likely to get either of these.

Again, why does everyone forget Swallows Compass? The Four Lords questline is much more impactful than the AST questlines in which Geo gets a small cameo role.
The Geomancer we have in the game uses a Bell for a weapon, and uses a whole host of offensive Water and Wind elemental spells. So many more assets were used here than the throw-away NPC in the AST questline that reuses stock assets like a CNJ wand and aero spell effects.

Chiseled into the great wall which cuts across the plains of Yanxia, between two of the Dairyu Moon Gates, is the visage of Ganen, the legendary hero who united Doma. The first king of the new kingdom was not only a military genius, but also the founder of geomancy, and so after his death this royal mausoleum became a holy place to which his disciples would make pilgrimage. Alas, following the imperial invasion, it was abandoned and fell into disrepair, and none can say for certain what dangers lie within. Regardless, if Soroban's rigorous training under Qitian Dasheng is to continue, you and your comrades must venture into these hallowed halls and obtain the tamate-bako of geomancy, an ancient relic with the power to manipulate time itself...

**BasicBlake** · 01-31-2023 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by Vahlnir

CNJ and WHM share/shared some elements, mostly from the nature aspect, like stone/wind themed spells, Stoneskin and Stone for example, the first of which was removed but is still used by random NPCs. Archer and BRD shares traits with, well, BRD and Ranger. Warrior has Viking-like traits and abilities, all while wielding a giant axe. I could go on, but I think my point has been made. They've combined a lot of past FF jobs into the ones we have now in FF XIV as hybrids of sorts. I'm not opposed to them branching out though. I'm just calling it as I see it.

It’s been.. two expansions now where we haven’t gotten any stone/aero updated spells or animations. Would feel a bit weird for them to go back on Dia/Glare now.

Hopefully white mage having used the spells in the past doesn’t lock the game/player base out of three whole elements for the game’s lifespan. Thematically isn’t this how we got calamities to begin with? Haha

**RitsukoSonoda** · 01-31-2023 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by BasicBlake

It’s been.. two expansions now where we haven’t gotten any stone/aero updated spells or animations. Would feel a bit weird for them to go back on Dia/Glare now.

Hopefully white mage having used the spells in the past doesn’t lock the game/player base out of three whole elements for the game’s lifespan. Thematically isn’t this how we got calamities to begin with? Haha

I thought the most recent one happened cause some old guy named Jackie Chun blew up the red moon to get a kid to change back from being a giant monkey and ended up releasing an elder primal dragon which decided to start nuking the world.

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