At this Point Frontline is done.

[Aneshda]

At this Point Frontline is done.

Samurai Zantetsuken = 1 Hit Instant Kill, 1-5 Players in a single swoop.

DRK Salted Earth = Mass Kill for them, cause Players fail to get away when there are 2 or more DRK's using this Spell. We have only 1 Purify and most times there is no way to get away ... so you die.

Ninja Shukuchi = they get away to 99%. Nearly impossible to Fight, except you have 5 or more Players using every damn Skill and Spell they have to Kill 1 Ninja. So Players just let them run away and give up to Fight them.

Summoner has only 1 Damage Button ... LB the rest makes so less damage that I wonder if the Dev Team was blind, ignorant as they tested Summoner Damage. And Mountain Buster fails so often that it is not even worth to use it.

Warriors can fight forever till they get killed. Alone you can't kill 1, you need a whole damn Group.

A Bard LB is so useless that I wonder why it gets even used.

A Sage makes too less Damage and needs to long to cast a Spell. If there is a Sage in Frontline ... then it is a new Player or someone leveling Sage.

Frontline is a sad Game and with every change it gets worse. Since the last Moogle Treasure Trove, Players don't give a crap for Points, Kills, to Win. No matter if you are 1th Place or 3rd Place. The Rewards comes so or so. They ruin the Campaigns for the rest Players who tries to win. Thx God that I will be soon Series Level 25, for the Armor.
After that I will give lesser as one Fart on Frontlines, I loved to play Frontline everyday, 10 or more Campaigns but right now ... no Thx.

[Kathleen_]

SAM is cringe but it's even more cringe seeing 5 people dropping to the most telegraphed Zantetsuken in the world. If you're a job with a shield put it up and bait it on you outside of your group of people who are clearly mentally AFK. Then /laugh and /sweep the SAM.
If there is no coordination from the other side (most cases on EU/NA) you can flash guard and run away instantly. DRK alone can't kill anyone but maybe one ranged that doesn't have recup bound, it needs other hard hitting LBs, guard breaks or just coordination in general in that tight window where everyone is packed up (as MCH I like dropping turret then either Bio or CS on everyone). I agree it's an issue on JP DCs though. At that point it's just awareness and preventively backing off if you sense a DRK murderblob approaching, and then just wait for your chance to counterpinch the DRK murderblob back.
Assfuck NINs with blota, but they really should down the strength of their shield. It gets way too big at BH5.
SMN has Aegis (amazing) and great aoe damage outside of Bahamut.
Warrior is a tank, and it's also mega squishy outside of LB (FL DR aside but that goes for all melee) once they've used up CC. You can't solo anything in FL, you need a group at all times.
BRD LB is the Spire, it's great.
SGE is good and has literally only one skill that needs to be cast, just like RDM it's just hard to perform well with.

I have no idea why I responded seriously on the official forums I'm going back to sleep.

[Llynethil]

Why should you be able to 1v1 a warrior?

It's a tank job, it's supposed to be able to stay alive for a while, and without a bh warrior is most likely not gonna kill you neither, it's great in group settings to prevent one person from getting away, but by itself it's just a job that's gonna stall or prevent a cap or something.
Also why warrior specifically and not the other tanks, you aren't gonna 1v1 those neither?

A good bard Lb at the right time means you'll get the most points out of the big pillar/ice if the enemy doesn't have a bard.
Only thing it needs is for it to be instant, not stun yourself for 2 seconds, that's the only bad part about that lb, but the buffs are pretty good if used at the right time.

[Mistress_Irika]

I had my own way with playing frontlines and influencing teams before 6.1, but after the change there was no sense of wandering around alone. I did try and give grouping a chance once again. However, I gave up entirely once I saw how worse things are being in a group. It's been a year since I did frontlines (until a couple of days ago), and I do not have any regrets dropping it.

Summoner has only 1 Damage Button ... LB the rest makes so less damage that I wonder if the Dev Team was blind, ignorant as they tested Summoner Damage. And Mountain Buster fails so often that it is not even worth to use it.(

Summoner got nerfed because people were turning frontlines into summoner's rift (lol). Regardless of the nerf summoner is...somewhat still abuseable. Damage is nerfed? Okay. I'll just summon Phoenix every time my team goes in until I get a bh3. Only risk is diving in. Sucks that they got nerfed over the Bahamut burst. However they're not useless.

[VictorSpoils]

Main issue right now is how unwinnable Shatter is, probably because it's more dependent on ice than BH, the former being completely random and unreliable.

[Garten]

Yes, with the new skills Frontline Is unbereable if taken seriously.. it's like a rock paper scissors between 3 Jobs.. i personally chose ninja cause i dont premade. In my data center you can ALWAYS see at least a premade of 3-4 drks that at the end of the match Will have top Kills. The only One that can kill them Is me via LB. At this point It Is like a minigame for me: "kill the dark".

[Caddo]

The fact that purify can't be used to protect you from Draw In effects is enough to say that Draw In effects shouldn't exist (stares at you DRK). It's getting so tiresome going into PVP and fighting a group of 2 or 3 friends going DRK/DRK/Insert-3rd-here-normally-DRG that do double Salted Earth which just ping pongs you then a DRG lands on your head.

People might say "Oh, you can do this too, it's strategy!". Sure, it's strategy to have 1 class be able to pull in numerous people into a spot (let alone if there are 2 of them) and another land with their LB for massive damage. It's even worse when both DRK hit their LB as well WITH the DRG landing. Legit just wiped out ~14 from my team and around ~10 from the enemy team.

3 People coordinated should not be able to do this. Remove draw in effects and just turn Salted Earth into a 2sec heavy if hit by it and have the explosion allow a -30% Healing done debuff for 3sec or something.

[Xylira]

The correct response to a DRK+DRG combo is to guard the moment you get hit by salted earth and wait a few seconds. It won't work guaranteed but it seems to be the best chance of surviving.

That said, I think the bigger problem is battle high in general. To be blunt, it just scales too well with many of the limit breaks from the rework. Getting hit by a DRK+DRG combo when everyone involved has no BH can still hurt, but it's survivable. When that same DRK+DRG combo has built up some BH however, that's when things start to get stupid and things just snowball worse from there. And it's not just DRK and/or DRG, it's basically all of the AOE LBs that can cause similar nonsense when BH gets rolling, but DRK and DRG just have it the best right now.

[Astralrisk]

All those classes are honestly pretty balanced by themselves. Warrior is the only one I agree with, but I do think it has more to do with the glaring issue of how much damage reduction everyone has. 30% DR on half the jobs in the game is rough and it makes it hard to do anything by yourself compared to before they buffed the DR on every job.

[tsuchii]

Thank god I was done farming all FL mounts. Now I just do it for the memes. Can't really take it seriously.