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  1. #761
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    Azmo2's Avatar
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    Grenat Di'alexandros
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexiaD View Post
    as for the person you quoted, it's basically the same as with every single person you confront about their hate of multiowners, they will eventually run out of argument (usually very fast) and then call it there because they have... actually nothing to prove their point. Multiowners take such a minuscule % of available houses, in most cases the terrible plots that no one want and end up available for months, some even available since lottery was out which is a very long time ago now, but they would rather those plots stay empty than a multiowner take it, its pure jealousy really but it's always funny to see, for some reason they think we should feel "guilt" or feel "bad" for taking houses that literally no one wants, i'll never understand lol.
    This is funny, you're always repeating your one and only argument, and still trying to make like it's a sacred one that automatically makes you right
    Even my 5 years old nephew has more comeback, but hey, at least, you might think of yourself as someone interesting right now, that's great.
    I've given you lot of arguments, just saying "uh, you don't have arguments ahgnegne" doesn't make you more intelligent, lad.
    Sadly, you're quite a common type of people on the internet, so yeah, it's pointless to keep on the conversation with you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    You didn't reply to what I said and there's no substance in your posts for me to understand. It's ok to stop when you are unable to reason why you feel a certain way. At least you didn't make a fool out of yourself by flinging insults like that other guy. He must still be salty about something and I don't even remember what it could be.
    I don't know what you don't understand, really. I've even put quotes of the lodestone to explain myself, if based on that, you still can't figure out where is the problem, there is nothing i can do to help you.
    I won't repeat myself again, just read the entire messages that's been posted, either by me or others.
    I litteraly explained the whole thing, and the only thing you answered was "he's on Dynamis, not you, so where is the problem, i don't understand you ", when the entire conversation didn't concern Dynamis at all.

    Now, clearly, i won't answer anymore, do what you want.
    The "other person" will respond "you have no arguments blablabla" because that's the only damn thing he is capable of, as i said, it's pointless to even bother answering him, and still, i did it despite being warned before.

    Have a good evening
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  2. #762
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    AlexiaD's Avatar
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    Ashley Hallowheart
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    Marilith
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azmo2 View Post
    This is funny, you're always repeating your one and only argument, and still trying to make like it's a sacred one that automatically makes you right
    Even my 5 years old nephew has more comeback, but hey, at least, you might think of yourself as someone interesting right now, that's great.
    I've given you lot of arguments, just saying "uh, you don't have arguments ahgnegne" doesn't make you more intelligent, lad.
    Sadly, you're quite a common type of people on the internet, so yeah, it's pointless to keep on the conversation with you.


    I don't know what you don't understand, really. I've even put quotes of the lodestone to explain myself, if based on that, you still can't figure out where is the problem, there is nothing i can do to help you.
    I won't repeat myself again, just read the entire messages that's been posted, either by me or others.
    I litteraly explained the whole thing, and the only thing you answered was "he's on Dynamis, not you, so where is the problem, i don't understand you ", when the entire conversation didn't concern Dynamis at all.

    Now, clearly, i won't answer anymore, do what you want.
    The "other person" will respond "you have no arguments blablabla" because that's the only damn thing he is capable of, as i said, it's pointless to even bother answering him, and still, i did it despite being warned before.

    Have a good evening
    It's ok dont worry, I know the 1354 plots open on Moogle are not enough for you, you obviously need more.

    https://zhu.codes/paissa?world=71&so...ts=4&tenants=2

    actually laughing not gonna lie, yall are out here complaining about a housing crisis when there's over a thousand plots open on your homeworld lmao, peak comedy

    Quote Originally Posted by Impia View Post
    Stormy, if your alt is on Dynamis then you know well enough to know that the individuals who are buying up wards here have not kept themselves restrained to smalls that nobody wants. There are a several hoarders who own multiple mediums and larges as well, last I checked there was a particularly egregious example in Mist. It's becoming a cesspit where instead of neighborhoods we have ward after ward of locked, undecorated houses with obvious naming conventions.

    You love to throw out accusations of envy, but I own a large. I live in Shiro 46, it's my absolute dream plot and the reason my wife and I transferred. She was able to get a medium of her own, too. Between the both of us, that's more than enough. Is it really so difficult for you to understand that my grievance with you is a product of your own behavior?
    My main is actually on Dynamis lol, I have been on Dynamis with my main for the past 6 months, and once again, yes people buy entire wards, people buy multiple plots, yes that is true, and once again, there are so many empty plots anywhere on Dynamis it's insane, there are thousands, despite those "big bad multiowners" you keep talking about, there are multiple thousands of available plots on Dynamis, there is 0 shortage at all, so why is it such a problem ? That's the problem with your logic, it makes no sense, if there was a very very tight housing crisis on Dynamis, I would agree, but there isnt, there's thousands of open plots that are left for the taking because no one wants them, and before you tell me there arent, I will provide a source and exclude Ward 25 to 30

    Seraph : 324 plots
    Marilith : 1573 plots
    Maduin : 1595 plots
    Halicarnassus : 1259 plots

    Total on Dynamis : 4751 open plots. (Most of those being personal, about 80%)

    Source : PaissaDB

    So where is the housing crisis ? People cant get an easy S60 so there's a housing crisis ? It's really time to stop, because people cant get their favorite plot, a large or a medium doesnt mean there's a housing crisis.
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    Last edited by AlexiaD; 02-10-2024 at 04:40 AM.

  3. #763
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    Impia's Avatar
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    Eloy Impia
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexiaD View Post
    My main is actually on Dynamis lol, I have been on Dynamis with my main for the past 6 months, and once again, yes people buy entire wards, people buy multiple plots, yes that is true, and once again, there are so many empty plots anywhere on Dynamis it's insane, there are thousands, despite those "big bad multiowners" you keep talking about, there are multiple thousands of available plots on Dynamis, there is 0 shortage at all, so why is it such a problem ? That's the problem with your logic, it makes no sense, if there was a very very tight housing crisis on Dynamis, I would agree, but there isnt, there's thousands of open plots that are left for the taking because no one wants them, and before you tell me there arent, I will provide a source and exclude Ward 25 to 30

    Seraph : 324 plots
    Marilith : 1573 plots
    Maduin : 1595 plots
    Halicarnassus : 1259 plots

    Total on Dynamis : 4751 open plots. (Most of those being personal, about 80%)

    Source : PaissaDB

    So where is the housing crisis ? People cant get an easy S60 so there's a housing crisis ? It's really time to stop, because people cant get their favorite plot, a large or a medium doesnt mean there's a housing crisis.
    You're not being consistent at all. Your entire argument hinges on the veneer of hoarders staying in their own lane and only buying undesirable plots, but here you confirm that you recognize that that's just not what's happening. There aren't enough meds and larges to go around even if everyone only bought one, not even on Dynamis, and let's be honest, this conversation primarily concerns those. I know larges and mediums are luxuries, but it's a huge departure from acceptable scarcity when people are hoarding plots which are already preciously scarce.
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  4. #764
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    Ashley Hallowheart
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    Quote Originally Posted by Impia View Post
    You're not being consistent at all. Your entire argument hinges on the veneer of hoarders staying in their own lane and only buying undesirable plots, but here you confirm that you recognize that that's just not what's happening. There aren't enough meds and larges to go around even if everyone only bought one, not even on Dynamis, and let's be honest, this conversation primarily concerns those. I know larges and mediums are luxuries, but it's a huge departure from acceptable scarcity when people are hoarding plots which are already preciously scarce.
    So we both agree that mediums and larges are luxuries, so there is no housing crisis, people just cant get their favorite plot, which as I mentioned is not a housing crisis. Thank you.
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  5. #765
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    Eloy Impia
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexiaD View Post
    So we both agree that mediums and larges are luxuries, so there is no housing crisis, people just cant get their favorite plot, which as I mentioned is not a housing crisis. Thank you.
    Being willfully obtuse and reductionist doesn't make you right in any sense. No, I do not agree with hoarding. Stop hiding behind smalls, and stop using scarcity as justification to further exacerbate scarcity.
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    Last edited by Impia; 02-10-2024 at 07:54 AM.

  6. #766
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    Yuniko's Avatar
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    Ahri Izumi
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    Mateus
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    Dancer Lv 100
    Welp! time to collect my gil tomorow as always.
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    A hope is that bright light burning within each and everyone of us!

  7. #767
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    Chad Thunder
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    Alpha
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    Man, writing this felt like schizo post already and I have been thinking if it's even worth to spend time on the forums anymore.

    Storm you are correct but it works in limited bubble around you. Have you considered your reasoning might not represent the majority of hoarders? Presenting it like "oh these poor unwanted S plots, alright then, I will take the burden off from your shoulders and obtain them since nobody wants them" is in contradiction what is happening in reality every time new wards are added. Everyone including hoarders goes after L and M first.

    The fact is, not miniscule part of FC plots gets multiowned, and lot of M and L end up being sold elsewhere.

    Maduin : 1595 plots
    And out of all of these 1595 free plots you claim to exist, there are only 3 L's that people can bid on today (feb 10th 2024)

    Why are you not telling the whole picture but are bending the truth in favor of your argument? People don't care about thousands of "free" plots if these plots are locked with unknown future date. They go to housing ward and count their current options, and react based on that fact.
    Most complains are from existing owners. Not from sprouts that are happy to have their first 3mil and first house.

    This is not to say you're wrong. I get your argument from posts some time ago and agree. The wards were not designed to be today's era development sprawl with hundreds of the same size bungalows rotated towards the sun. The residential maps offer plots of different size, vicinity to marketboard/aetheryte, even some isolated plots or nice design twists like ramps, platforms, various things in the residential map to fit multiple types of needs and wants.

    Try to see it from point of view as owner of plot 9 in Shirogane. Imagine, that when you joined the game, only this plot was free, and you won from 3 total bids. Congratulations. One year after, looking against the same rock wall in front of the house is annoying, you saved some gil and would love to upgrade. You keep bidding for 3 months every week always fail because of the big number of bidders. Seems like many people want to upgrade from their unpopular S plots, but only very few will get lucky. Is this S plot your endgame? Is this the....best?
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    Last edited by MAJRIS; 02-10-2024 at 09:49 PM.

  8. #768
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    Ahri Izumi
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    4 and a half hours until i can collect my gil again wooo.... *sigh*
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    A hope is that bright light burning within each and everyone of us!

  9. #769
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    Ahri Izumi
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    Mateus
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    Yep! 47.5mil collect! Only to try a new on the 15th!
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    A hope is that bright light burning within each and everyone of us!

  10. #770
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    Ashley Hallowheart
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    Won another large goblet on Maduin today, only had 2 bids out of 16, relo from a medium goblet
    won lb37,38 and 40 relos also from goblet, and won a small for my main after transferring server.

    Easy
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