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    Player Seraphor's Avatar
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    2018/02/10
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    Seraphor Vhinasch
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    Zodiark
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    Quote 引用元:MikkoAkure 投稿を閲覧
    The lore book itself says from Limsa Lominsa it’s 2 months to Doma and 2 weeks to Old Sharlayan.

    Carvallain said he could make it a bit faster, but Hingashi is also further away than Doma and our ship got dragged off its original course.

    Yugiri was at sea for “many moons” before making it to Eorzea.




    There’s nothing in-game that says it’s smaller. If the planet was smaller and also had less mass, that would affect things from how objects move and the size and shape of mountains.

    It’s easier to assume that the planet is the same size as Earth and that writers have no sense of scale than the alternative.
    That poses a problem for the Doman troops reaching Ghimlyt then doesn't it? Are we supposed to be fending off the Garleans for months?
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    MikkoAkure's Avatar
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    2011/08/15
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    Limsa Lominsa
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    Midi Ajihri
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    Hyperion
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    巴術士 Lv 100
    Quote 引用元:Seraphor 投稿を閲覧
    That poses a problem for the Doman troops reaching Ghimlyt then doesn't it? Are we supposed to be fending off the Garleans for months?
    The writers obviously just ignored it for the sake of the narrative. The writers also make it out to be that we're all in a time bubble so they're not paying exact attention to the lore at all times and as frustrating as it is to people super into lore, they will ignore it for the story. For better or worse, FFXIV isn't that type of story where everything is chained by the lore. They can, will, and have ignore or just make up lore to keep the story going.

    But the lore book itself states that it's 2 months from Doma and that's the highest authority we have on the matter. If you REALLY want to look at everything that happens in the game under a magnifying glass, then I guess they did hold the Garleans off for months. If you're writing RP or fan fiction and are serious about the lore, it's going to be 2 months.

    It makes no sense to ignore or write off what little we do have of lore to propose off-the-wall ideas such as "the world is tiny but somehow still has the same mass as Earth" when there's nothing to suggest that except that parts of the writing don't line up.


    And if you're looking at the twins as a measuring stick and are super serious about calculating time despite the fact that the writers aren't, then they can never be older than their teens because there's an Elezen who is confirmed 20 years old and uses the adult Elezen model.

    Ultimately nothing in the game is going to match exactly to timelines suggested in dialogue because the writers aren't writing the story that way. It's nice for a bit of fun of trying to figure stuff out but if you spend any more thought on it, it's going to make your head hurt.
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    Vyrerus's Avatar
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    2014/05/18
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    Vicious Zvahl
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    Excalibur
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    機工士 Lv 100
    To play devil's advocate about the boat trips, Carvallain has a ceruleum engine on his ship.

    This, in essence, makes it similar to a modern day sailing ship in terms of travel time.

    The average speed of a modern merchant ship is anywhere from 12 to 20 knots, and we're talking the big honkin' metal ships. Carvallain's is made of wood. Without the engine and just the sails, it should travel roughly 4 to 5 knots.

    A speed of 4 to 5 knots gets you about 120 miles a day(193 KM).

    We can't actually fill in the variables we don't know. Like, how strong is Carvallain's ship's engine? How many malms are between Limsa Lominsa and Kugane? What is the wing flapping velocity of an unladen colibri? But we can do some real world analogues to see if our, "it took several months theory" holds up.

    First we'll average the lowest speeds Carvallain's ship could go at, and put it at averaging 8 knots. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that he turned the engine on when the wind was against the ship.

    Next we'll take a real world distance. The UK to Japan is 4172 Nautical Miles. At a speed of 8 knots it would take a ship roughly 21.73 days to get there. You might think, "Hey, the crew has to sleep!" But ships don't stop just because the crew does. And crews on ships rotate, so ships travel constantly throughout the night and day.

    This means it's actually less than a month and a half to go from Limsa to Kugane, assuming they're similarly far apart as the UK and Japan. Which honestly, nothing in FFXIV has given me reason to think that they'd be further, but for arguments sake, let's say they were twice as far apart as the UK and Japan.

    A one way trip then, at 8 knots, takes 43.46 days. So anyway you slice it, it really didn't take that long.
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    dragoelete's Avatar
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    Drago Xhula
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    Balmung
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    dont forget our little deture with the evil demon kraken thingy. also we have to take into account how much the wood the ship is made of can handle so that would impact the speed to an extent.
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    SannaR's Avatar
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    2018/02/05
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    Sanna Rosewood
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    Midgardsormr
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    My memory wants to place the Carvallain mentioning it around the time Tataru is blackmailing him. When there's talk about how you're supposed to report everything you get from a ship you pirated to the Yellow Jackets, but on occasion when it comes to having pirated Garlean ships someone might not notice you not mentioning a whole engine. Speaking of wooden ships are we all assuming that they are all late 1700s if not mid 1800 wooden ships? As early wooden ship models would have needed to take longer.
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    Anonymoose's Avatar
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    2011/03/08
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    Limsa Lominsa
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    Anony Moose
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    Excalibur
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    巴術士 Lv 100
    At this point we're bound by two unavoidable realities:

    1: Game content is still in the same bubble, we have very recent references to the Calamity still being five years ago.

    2: Every player who attempts to make a timeline will do so based on what feels right to them, meaning that - while everyone agrees we've spent more than a year in the game - no one agrees on how much more.

    That's where I stop thinking about it any deeper than that; it's not worth it. Every player gets a blank check and should confidently cash that in for whatever they want.

    Personally, I also divide each patch's content into however long there is until the next patch. It feels natural to my brain and, more importantly, probably feels natural to the developers as well.
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    Player
    MikkoAkure's Avatar
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    Midi Ajihri
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    Hyperion
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    巴術士 Lv 100
    Quote 引用元:Vyrerus 投稿を閲覧
    Coming at me or anyone really with a, "You're taking it too seriously bro." Is more or less a reductive insult.
    I’m not coming at you with anything nor was that directed at you and I think you misunderstood the text of my post.

    It was a general “this is an exercise in futility”.


    What I was trying to say was:

    For everything else (as in the rest of the thread’s main topic and not just ships), you can dig as much as you want, but when it’s with something that the writers deliberately did not give us enough information on, you’re not going to find any satisfying answers and not everyone’s going to agree with it.
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