What lore do you ignore?

[Necrotica]

Wording on that is odd. Azem did not join Venat. So who did they defect to? Had Azem just abandoned the Convocation for their own cause they would call them a deserter.

Was there a secret third party in the Zodiark vs Hydaelyn debacle that Azem joined?

[sidurgu-12]

Wording on that is odd. Azem did not join Venat. So who did they defect to? Had Azem just abandoned the Convocation for their own cause they would call them a deserter.

Was there a secret third party in the Zodiark vs Hydaelyn debacle that Azem joined?

I think they kept it vague on purpose. For me azem kept doing what he did best until he got hit by the sundering.

[RyuDragnier]

Wording on that is odd. Azem did not join Venat. So who did they defect to? Had Azem just abandoned the Convocation for their own cause they would call them a deserter.

Was there a secret third party in the Zodiark vs Hydaelyn debacle that Azem joined?

One theory that I like is that there was another threat Azem was dealing with at the time when the Sundering occurred. I personally believe the final boss of Pandaemonium will be that threat, and finishing Pandaemonium is basically waving goodbye to the Ancients and to the last case of "unfinished business" Azem left behind.

[LalafellDown]

I ignore our best friend coming to save us and then we fight him on a ocean. I ignore that our best friends partner, the punchable face guy saved us after we switch bodies because times up.

I ignore that emo twitter was the final boss and the build up we were waiting for.

Also ignore that the talking crystal lady was good.

[sidurgu-12]

I ignore our best friend coming to save us and then we fight him on a ocean. I ignore that our best friends partner, the punchable face guy saved us after we switch bodies because times up.

I ignore that emo twitter was the final boss and the build up we were waiting for.

Also ignore that the talking crystal lady was good.

Zenos did not deserve to go out happy. I wanted to flip him off and let him wallow at the edge of the universe.

[Cleretic]

I want to ask an important question that I think is being missed in a lot of these things people are saying they're ignoring.

Why? Not why as in 'why this thing specifically', but why as in 'why have you chosen to ignore it', why was that what you chose to do? Is it a functional thing, where you're roleplaying or writing fanworks and this element is too much effort to include or works against what you're going for? Is it a mental health/comfort thing where that part is personally triggering or upsetting enough that it's better to put it out of mind? Something else that's just not occurring to me?

I ask because I think a lot of people are just using this thread to air 'lore/story I don't like', and that... doesn't sound right. Sure, a game you like did a thing you don't; are you really ignoring that, or are you just here to passive-aggressively say they shouldn't have? And if you are ignoring it solely because you don't like it, is that how you handle any media doing the same? Are you trying to create some perfect internal FFXIV rather than accepting that it may have flaws or disagree with you?


In writing this, though, I did realize there is part of the game's lore I do 'ignore', but it is more complicated than that: the concerning amount of uses of sexual assault basically solely for 'darkness' and shock value in ARR especially. I don't entirely block it out, but I do my best to just leave that as far away as possible from both my roleplaying and lore discussions, including my videos (although unfortunately, my next one does have to touch on an instance in HW). I find it genuinely uncomfortable just how much it was done and with so little respect, but fortunately the devs both use it less now and treat it with more respect when it comes up; after HW it's basically only Yotsuyu, and that part of her is done quite well. I'll readily call ARR out for it when it comes up, but it's generally just better to put it out of mind for the most part.

[sidurgu-12]

I want to ask an important question that I think is being missed in a lot of these things people are saying they're ignoring.

Why? Not why as in 'why this thing specifically', but why as in 'why have you chosen to ignore it', why was that what you chose to do? Is it a functional thing, where you're roleplaying or writing fanworks and this element is too much effort to include or works against what you're going for? Is it a mental health/comfort thing where that part is personally triggering or upsetting enough that it's better to put it out of mind? Something else that's just not occurring to me?

I ask because I think a lot of people are just using this thread to air 'lore/story I don't like', and that... doesn't sound right. Sure, a game you like did a thing you don't; are you really ignoring that, or are you just here to passive-aggressively say they shouldn't have? And if you are ignoring it solely because you don't like it, is that how you handle any media doing the same? Are you trying to create some perfect internal FFXIV rather than accepting that it may have flaws or disagree with you?


In writing this, though, I did realize there is part of the game's lore I do 'ignore', but it is more complicated than that: the concerning amount of uses of sexual assault basically solely for 'darkness' and shock value in ARR especially. I don't entirely block it out, but I do my best to just leave that as far away as possible from both my roleplaying and lore discussions, including my videos (although unfortunately, my next one does have to touch on an instance in HW). I find it genuinely uncomfortable just how much it was done and with so little respect, but fortunately the devs both use it less now and treat it with more respect when it comes up; after HW it's basically only Yotsuyu, and that part of her is done quite well. I'll readily call ARR out for it when it comes up, but it's generally just better to put it out of mind for the most part.

For me its because of my personal beliefs actively hurt my enjoyment of the game so i try to either headcanon it or ignore it outright. But while i do have a few headcanons the lifestream is the only thing i ignore.
Edit: though tbh i dont actually ignore the ancients connection to everything despite being kind of bothered by it.

[Lurina]

I ask because I think a lot of people are just using this thread to air 'lore/story I don't like', and that... doesn't sound right. Sure, a game you like did a thing you don't; are you really ignoring that, or are you just here to passive-aggressively say they shouldn't have? And if you are ignoring it solely because you don't like it, is that how you handle any media doing the same? Are you trying to create some perfect internal FFXIV rather than accepting that it may have flaws or disagree with you?

FFXIV is not just a story. With a book or show, if you don't like what it's doing, there's absolutely no reason other than sunk cost fallacy to not just drop it like a hot rock - the plot is all it has going for it. With a game, though, it becomes complicated because you can hate something about the writing enough that you'd be done under normal circumstances and still have a stronger motivation for staying. Maybe all your friends are playing it and quitting means not getting to socialize with them as much. Maybe you're really into some specific gameplay niche like savage raiding, or a social one like roleplay. Maybe you just really like Triple Triad.

In a situation like that, sometimes the only thing you can really do to keep enjoying the part you enjoy without experiencing cognitive dissonance is to blot you don't like out of your mind. (Again, this is only for stuff that would normally be so overwhelmingly offputting you'd wanna quit. For smaller complaints it's easy to just accept the game isn't perfect - probably people who say "ignore" in that sense just mean "dismiss")

To use your example, I would normally throw a story that used sexual assault as a throwaway plot point in the midst of an otherwise light-hearted, fun story out the window, but because I like the rest of it enough, I try to block it out of my mind.

[YianKutku]

I want to ask an important question that I think is being missed in a lot of these things people are saying they're ignoring.

Why? Not why as in 'why this thing specifically', but why as in 'why have you chosen to ignore it', why was that what you chose to do? Is it a functional thing, where you're roleplaying or writing fanworks and this element is too much effort to include or works against what you're going for? Is it a mental health/comfort thing where that part is personally triggering or upsetting enough that it's better to put it out of mind? Something else that's just not occurring to me?

I ask because I think a lot of people are just using this thread to air 'lore/story I don't like', and that... doesn't sound right. Sure, a game you like did a thing you don't; are you really ignoring that, or are you just here to passive-aggressively say they shouldn't have? And if you are ignoring it solely because you don't like it, is that how you handle any media doing the same? Are you trying to create some perfect internal FFXIV rather than accepting that it may have flaws or disagree with you?

That's a good question. As mentioned, in my case, I ignore the Yorha raids because they make themselves ignorable. So based on that, I would say it's a mix of "I personally don't like the story" and "functional issue", in that I personally don't like the story because it's a functional issue. It doesn't tie into FFXIV in any meaningful way, so there's a very strong sense of "why shouldn't I ignore it?" when it comes to working with FFXIV lore.

Compare to, say, the Ivalice content, which makes itself at home in FFXIV, for better or for worse. I don't personally like the Ivalice content either, but I accept them as part of FFXIV's world, including the retcon about "no non-pureblood Garlean can be a Legatus". So when discussing and speculating about FFXIV, I have to take the Ivalice stuff into consideration, even if I'm personally not that interested in it.

But the Yorha raids, as I often say, can be excised entirely from FFXIV with absolutely no effect on lore before and after. Hence, it is technically a problem of "too much effort" to include for discussions of FFXIV lore, where "too much effort" here means "any effort at all".

I suppose it's a form of frustration: "Why should I care, when it gives me no reason to care?"