What lore do you ignore?

[Enkidoh]

Definetly for me it was EW's silly retcon of the Blessing of Light being what protects against Primal influence/tempering rather than the Echo despite the game constantly stating and proving it was the Echo doing the protecting for a decade. It's a clunky attempt to fix a minor plot hole that appeared in SB (how to explain the 'tempering shielding' ability the WoL used during the 'Return of the Bull'), and only snowballed in ShB (where the Ancients/Ascians were revealed to be tempered by Zodiark and yet still had the Echo).

But saying it was the Blessing as 'Venat's traveller's ward that protects against aetherial influence' rather than the Echo doing the protecting opens up more plot holes where there's been plenty of characters who have the Echo but not the Blessing, still being immune to tempering (such as back in 1.0, where the Blessing didn't even exist), so the whole thing just ends up collapsing under it's inconsistancies. Hence it's something I've just ignored throughout EW and continue to ignore.

Also the whole Etheirys/Hydaelyn thing - where even Yoshi said "use what you feel comfortable with, as they're both correct." Yeah, tell that to the Sharlayans then (for me it's not "ignore that lore" but more it just depends on the context/situation as to what name to use, rather than simply adopting the Ancient name as the modern name as a retcon - for me I use 'Etheirys' when referring to the Unsundered world, and 'Hydaelyn' when referring to the modern sundered world.).

[RyuDragnier]

Definetly for me it was EW's silly retcon of the Blessing of Light being what protects against Primal influence/tempering rather than the Echo despite the game constantly stating and proving it was the Echo doing the protecting for a decade. It's a clunky attempt to fix a minor plot hole that appeared in SB (how to explain the 'tempering shielding' ability the WoL used during the 'Return of the Bull'), and only snowballed in ShB (where the Ancients/Ascians were revealed to be tempered by Zodiark and yet still had the Echo).

But saying it was the Blessing as 'Venat's traveller's ward that protects against aetherial influence' rather than the Echo doing the protecting opens up more plot holes where there's been plenty of characters who have the Echo but not the Blessing, still being immune to tempering (such as back in 1.0, where the Blessing didn't even exist), so the whole thing just ends up collapsing under it's inconsistancies. Hence it's something I've just ignored throughout EW and continue to ignore.

Enkidoh, we've had this conversation before, MULTIPLE TIMES, AND RECENTLY AS OF ANOTHER THREAD. The Blessing is an extra protection on top of the Echo, stop acting like it's the only thing. I'm starting to believe you're foolish enough to believe that a 10% damage mitigation overrides a 20% damage mitigation.


Onto the actual topic, the fact that bangaa (who are reptilian looking) are mammals. I REFUSE to accept this.

[Iscah]

Enkidoh, we've had this conversation before, MULTIPLE TIMES, AND RECENTLY AS OF ANOTHER THREAD. The Blessing is an extra protection on top of the Echo, stop acting like it's the only thing.

They have never outright stated that in the game – certainly not to the point of admonishing people over "getting it wrong" that the blessing has replaced the Echo.

They have been incredibly vague about what the Echo actually does since they started this course alteration into crediting the blessing with being the thing that provides protection against aetherial corruption, especially since Venat made no mention of it when she talked about her "traveller's charm".

[RyuDragnier]

They have never outright stated that in the game – certainly not to the point of admonishing people over "getting it wrong" that the blessing has replaced the Echo.

They have been incredibly vague about what the Echo actually does since they started this course alteration into crediting the blessing with being the thing that provides protection against aetherial corruption, especially since Venat made no mention of it when she talked about her "traveller's charm".

They've shown time and time again over the course of the game that people with the echo have resisted being tempered, more than enough visual evidence through the storyline to prove that the echo provides protection from tempering. In Stormblood we were seeing echo users including Arenvald actively block tempering. Remember the instance with Lakshmi, where Arenvald and our characters block the tempering energy to protect the people with the echo shield? Even Fordola, who has the Resonance, which is a copy of the echo, was able to do the same thing. There is absolutely 0 things to clarify, the echo and blessing both protect from it.

[Iscah]

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Yes, I know all of those things, which is exactly why it's problematic that Endwalker spun around and said that the reason we were protected from primals was Venat's spell, as if there had never been an explanation for it before.

I'm coming up to that part in a replay – I'll take notes when I get there.

[KageTokage]

Definetly for me it was EW's silly retcon of the Blessing of Light being what protects against Primal influence/tempering rather than the Echo despite the game constantly stating and proving it was the Echo doing the protecting for a decade. It's a clunky attempt to fix a minor plot hole that appeared in SB (how to explain the 'tempering shielding' ability the WoL used during the 'Return of the Bull'), and only snowballed in ShB (where the Ancients/Ascians were revealed to be tempered by Zodiark and yet still had the Echo). .

That point and dynamis are things I'd rather pretend didn't happen...though I think the latter is liable to end up becoming too deeply ingrained in the plot for that to be reasonable in the longterm.

It tries to retroactively attach deeper logic to something that didn't need it. Overcoming obstacles through sheer heroic willpower is more romantic to me then doing so through my unmeasurable ability to subconsciously manipulate invisible nonsensium.