What lore do you ignore?

[Jandor]

I suppose it's not outright ignoring, but I very liberally interpret the Blessing of Light as being a protective ward that subscribes to the idea that the best defence is a good offence. Builds on top of the echo and lets us do things like create weapons of light to poke holes in Ascians, or slurp up some of that excess light on the first so we can split the sky in half and reveal the night.

I don't really think that's what they were going, but it works well enough for me. Plus, that sort of "active protection" philosophy seems like something a former Azem would come up with.

[Ildefons]

Personally I only ignore a couple of things in-game and don't care much for what's not stated in universe.

For example, the timeline. When my character hears people talk about the calamity happening 5 years ago, I just take it as "it's been longer than that but it doesn't feel that way now, does it?" While I don't have a specific timeframe in my mind for how long each expansion lasted, I like to think it was at least 1 year, maybe a bit more (with the exception of ShB).

Another thing I ignore is how "awesome" and "expert" my WoL is. While I may have all jobs at level 90, in my mind I'm only a thaumaturge with some knowledge of Black Magic but not even close to the level of the Mhaachi mages. Crafters it's the same. I have dabbled in all professions but I'm not the expert some people claim my character is. I just do this because it makes it more believable when someone threatens my character and he just stands there.

The final thing I ignore is when some of the dialogue options only give you the chance of being nice to certain NPCs. I roleplay my character as being too polite but he doesn't like some people so I would be colder in my interactions with them while still agreeing to help or whatever.

Other than that, I accept the lore no matter how much I dislike the direction it takes. If it contradicts itself I just take it as different interpretations of the truth or that we were working on incomplete information.

[JepMZ]

I'm ignoring everyone automatically using the name Etheirys. It's so cringy and massively gatekeepy towards Free Trialers. I'm fine with Lollopits saying it since they're the only living boomers left and are contained in Endwalker exclusively. But everyone else saying it is a big no for me. I found out earth used to be called Tonantzin, I'm not gonna start calling it Tonantzin now just because that's what it used to be called. We spent two expansions fighting against terrible Etheirys residents from commiting global genocide, and Meition got away with it too with 100% complete forgiveness.

[Iscah]

I'm ignoring everyone automatically using the name Etheirys. It's so cringy and massively gatekeepy towards Free Trialers.

Gatekeeping them from what, exactly?

Personally I would have appreciated an alternate name for it sooner. It was always unnecessarily confusing to have the planet and the entity referred to by the same name.

You don't even need to spoil anything for newbies if they ask why you're calling it Etheirys. Just say it gets introduced later as a term specifically for the planet so it's clearer which one is being talked about.

[RyuDragnier]

Gatekeeping them from what, exactly?

Personally I would have appreciated an alternate name for it sooner. It was always unnecessarily confusing to have the planet and the entity referred to by the same name.

You don't even need to spoil anything for newbies if they ask why you're calling it Etheirys. Just say it gets introduced later as a term specifically for the planet so it's clearer which one is being talked about.

That entire comment of his guaranteed the odds that he's a troll. So let's just ignore him.

[JepMZ]

Gatekeeping people from enjoying any content creation where the name is used instead of Hydaelyn. So YouTube videos come to mind and forums where the topic titles doesn't indicate there's Endwalker spoilers in them.

That entire comment of his guaranteed the odds that he's a troll. So let's just ignore him.

I don't appreciate being called a troll for participating in a discussion. You don't have to be a troll to dislike something. Especially when I already list my in-game lore reason why it doesn't seem to work in-game.

[SannaR]

Gatekeeping people from enjoying any content creation where the name is used instead of Hydaelyn. So YouTube videos come to mind and forums where the topic titles doesn't indicate there's Endwalker spoilers in them.



I don't appreciate being called a troll for participating in a discussion. You don't have to be a troll to dislike something. Especially when I already list my in-game lore reason why it doesn't seem to work in-game.

Your in game reason doesn't read as an in game reason though. Most people who write lore videos or talk about Endwalker things tend to have a spoiler warning attached to them. I'm not sure why a person with the free trial would be watching or reading about subjects that most likely would be spoilers for them.

[Cleretic]

Your in game reason doesn't read as an in game reason though. Most people who write lore videos or talk about Endwalker things tend to have a spoiler warning attached to them. I'm not sure why a person with the free trial would be watching or reading about subjects that most likely would be spoilers for them.

Yeah, as a lore-talker, I am going to say I go to lengths to avoid any clear spoilers in the thumbnail, title or any part of my videos before the spoiler warning itself. Oftentimes this is actually very easy, because there's a difference between 'showing things that spoil the story' and 'showing things that happen to be from later in the game'; if you don't have the context about something, it can often be hard to get enough of it to know there's a spoiler in the first place, and often there's beats that are so innocent and publicly known they aren't spoilers, like 'we go to Sharlayan'. Other times it can be very difficult, though; a great example is when I made a video comparing Emet-Selch and Fandaniel, where it was fairly easy to get a picture of Emet since he doesn't really have any spoilers in appearance, but it's actually damn near impossible for Fandaniel because he wears three faces, and every single one of them is some kind of spoiler.

I think it's right to be concerned about spoiling people who aren't done with the story or are on a free trial, but if I'm going to listen to anyone tell me what to do there, it's going to be someone who actually is or has been in that position. And JepMZ isn't that; they joined the forums in 2015, have seven jobs at level 90, and a lineup of minions that they couldn't have unless they were around for multiple years of events. So this smacks of a 'won't somebody please think of the children' style of straw-moralizing, attacking people for threatening or marginalizing a community that's basically completely fictionalized and abstract.

After all, if you're going to say we're wrong for talking about the story in a way that's 'not friendly to those on a free trial', how are we, as people who have finished the story, supposed to freely talk about it amongst ourselves?


EDIT: Incidentally, this is exactly what I was talking about with my question about 'why are people ignoring these'. Because there's perfectly legitimate reasons to ignore that being the standard and immediately-adopted name, that sort of language update doesn't happen overnight no matter how 'correct' it is... but that's not what they're arguing, they're mainly just using this thread to say 'Thing I Don't Like Is Bad'.

[Vyrerus]

Plus Sharlayans are snooty scholars from a snooty pacifist nation. Of course they'd instantly embrace lost knowledge about the planet's true name.

And for some reason they are a super well respected society, I suppose due to western hemisphere aethereyte distribution. It absolutely cannot be all that previously mentioned snooty, pacifist isolationism.

But yeah, this is a setting where teleportation exists. World leaders get in the know quickly (and should really never not be in the know, since having teleporting messengers is almost as fast as email once the attunements have been done).

Dissemination of knowledge in this setting should basically make any major news proliferate at about the speed it does in the real world with the internet. I mean, I'm sure the aethernet is slightly slower, but not that much slower.

[Iscah]

Dissemination of knowledge in this setting should basically make any major news proliferate at about the speed it does in the real world with the internet. I mean, I'm sure the aethernet is slightly slower, but not that much slower.

On the other hand, the majority of people are probably oblivious to high-level Sharlayan research altogether – from memory we have specifically been told (probably by Koji) that most people don't even know to call the planet Hydaelyn in the first place, or possibly don't even know of Hydaelyn at all.

We're basically dealing with a small pool of high-end researchers using a terminology all their own, about concepts that the average person has no idea about. This isn't about the plausibility of getting a whole population to use new words for an old concept – they probably aren't even aware of the concept, because the entire thing is beyond their knowledge.