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    My gripe on blue mage tanks

    Honestly what is the point? I've used frog legs, hydro pull and sticky tongue and yet mobs ignore them and still go after the other blue mages. It's like the most pointless spec I've had the misfortune to play as once threat is lost. Nothing I do gets the mobs back onto me until I've spammed everything in my arsenal to eventually get threat back again, in which several other blue mages have already died. Can this be double checked please? Frog legs is supposed to "provoke nearby enemies, placing yourself at the top of their emnity list." Right now it's doing nothing.
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    Azuri Aeru
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    Spam White Wind.
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    Bastilaa Shan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azuri View Post
    Spam White Wind.
    That. White Wind is the biggest Enmity generator in the game. If you have things mobbed up you can then use Eye Beam to maintain aggro and mobs shouldn't last very long anyway whether it's burst or Ram's Vibe Check.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MagiusNecros View Post
    That. White Wind is the biggest Enmity generator in the game. If you have things mobbed up you can then use Eye Beam to maintain aggro and mobs shouldn't last very long anyway whether it's burst or Ram's Vibe Check.
    Eye Beam? Do you mean Glower? I've been using The Look due to its increased enmity and same potency, however it's only useful in close range. That said the additional paralysis sounds like it could be more useful at least in terms of mitigation.
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    Last edited by geekgirl101; 01-22-2023 at 11:19 PM.
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    Placing yourself at the top of the enmity list, is not a way of initially pulling aggro.

    You might have aggro for a split second, but the moment anyone else generates any enmity, you will lose aggro. This will occur within a split second as someone else's attack connects after your Frog Legs.

    Frog Legs is a enmity catch up mechanic. If you're way behind on enmity and you need to be on top, you start with Frog Legs to put yourself on the same level as the highest enmity. But in order to gain an enmity lead, you need to use something that generates enmity, which Frog Legs doesn't do.
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    Just to double check are you sure your nearby the enemies? As frog legs has abysmal range that needs you to be basically hugging the boss to work.
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    Player MagiusNecros's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by geekgirl101 View Post
    Eye Beam? Do you mean Glower? I've been using The Look due to its increased enmity and same potency, however it's only useful in close range. That said the additional paralysis sounds like it could be more useful at least in terms of mitigation.
    It's the Look that has the Enmity. But you probably most cases can just spam whatever since mobs gonna die quick anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    Frog Legs is a enmity catch up mechanic. If you're way behind on enmity and you need to be on top, you start with Frog Legs to put yourself on the same level as the highest enmity. But in order to gain an enmity lead, you need to use something that generates enmity, which Frog Legs doesn't do.
    That's not the way it's worded in the tooltip. The tooltip gives the impression that it behaves the same as provoke.

    Quote Originally Posted by undull1 View Post
    Just to double check are you sure your nearby the enemies? As frog legs has abysmal range that needs you to be basically hugging the boss to work.
    Yes I was practically on top of them and they didn't respond at all to it.
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    Provoke got HUGE BUFFS so it not only puts you on top, it puts you on top and then adds 25%.

    That's a buff to provoke that blu never got, so blu does exactly what it says on the tin, while provoke has hidden bonus that isn't written anywhere, and causes confusion by being secret.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geekgirl101 View Post
    Eye Beam? Do you mean Glower? I've been using The Look due to its increased enmity and same potency, however it's only useful in close range. That said the additional paralysis sounds like it could be more useful at least in terms of mitigation.
    You should use a fast cast that gives you weave slots. This usually means either Sharpened Knife (highest potency) or Sonic Boom (lower potency but you can attack at range if needed.)

    As others have said, you should be using White Wind to generate aggro. You will typically swiftcast a White Wind on the pull and this will lock you into the aggro lead. As long as you are weaving your Primal spells in between uses of Diamondback, Dragon Force, etc you should have no issues maintaining aggro. You do not need The Look.

    You will generally not need two tanks for any content, though I think there are some raids that might use two tanks as an option. Getting in Blood Drains and Magic Hammer between Diamondback windows is typically enough to keep a single tank alive through almost anything. Avail can also be an option - it's effectively a reverse Cover (they take the damage for you.)

    Note that you have absolutely no reason to use a tank morph for dungeons. You will typically run one healer and three DPS. The healer can go into Mighty Guard if the boss has powerful autoswings, but generally you can just Diamondback any tankbusters and be just fine. Normal mobs will die immediately to Ultravibration rotations. You might run Mighty Guard if you're doing a W2W but with four BLU, you can afford to just split each leg into two pulls.
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