Deep dungeon for BLU only

[Kaurhz]

I can support this.


Allow BLU to enter the deep dungeon, solo or with a group, and just tie a set of achievements, titles, and other rewards for the completion of the content. There is no need to prevent them from doing such if they can just negate achievement based on class allocation in the duty.

Similarly, just allow BLU to do Bozja, and Eureka, hell even tie in a relic, I'm pretty sure they can figure a way in their wisdom to allocate rewards from FATEs based on the class that completes it, or at the very least have separate instance allocation for those on BLU.

And for anyone that struggles to decipher this post and somehow (beyond me) tries to misconstrue it as just seeking an easy win - I couldn't care less, it's not hard to prohibit achievement unlocks based on class, or shouldn't be - I just feel like the class should be respected a little (actually A LOT) more.

[Striker44]

No, I'd much rather Blue Mage be updated to become a full job than to continue tacking on temporary fixes for what is essentially a dead-end class.

It's meant as side content to have fun messing around with something that's otherwise ridiculously OP. If they were to make BLU into a "normal" job, they'd need to nerf it so hard it would lose everything that makes it fun for the people who enjoy it. Some people like Gold Saucer events. Some people like doing FATEs to unlock the highest rewards in each zone. Some people like finding all the Sightseeing Log spots. Some people like BLU. It's never, ever been presented as meant to be a "normal" job, and it's precisely the "limited" nature of it that allows them to go nuts with it and give it a kit with far more power than anything else.

[MagiusNecros]

I'd like to go nuts with BLU in lvl 90 content thanks. Preferably this week and not in 5 years.

Pretty silly that Eureka has BiS gear for BLU and BLU can't even go in to work towards it lol

[Deceptus]

And for anyone that struggles to decipher this post and somehow (beyond me) tries to misconstrue it as just seeking an easy win - I couldn't care less, it's not hard to prohibit achievement unlocks based on class, or shouldn't be - I just feel like the class should be respected a little (actually A LOT) more.

Here's my thing with BLU:

Against normal enemies it's pretty overpowered. But against bosses that are immune to the vast majority of status effects and one hit deaths? They're just a slightly stronger version of SMN that has mana issues. Because their "ability" actions require MP, which no other caster job in the game has to deal with, and they have a LOT of abilities they use.

[Midareyukki]

It's meant as side content to have fun messing around with something that's otherwise ridiculously OP. If they were to make BLU into a "normal" job, they'd need to nerf it so hard it would lose everything that makes it fun for the people who enjoy it.

that's assuming Aveyond-Dreams cares about other people liking content he dislikes

Here's my thing with BLU:

Against normal enemies it's pretty overpowered. But against bosses that are immune to the vast majority of status effects and one hit deaths? They're just a slightly stronger version of SMN that has mana issues. Because their "ability" actions require MP, which no other caster job in the game has to deal with, and they have a LOT of abilities they use.

And most of those abilities are niche and situational at best. I know "Limited" means they don't need to balance it or tweak it, but they could at least bother to make it useable in the little content it's going to be used in. Instead it seems like it's just there for posing and Carnivale. You take it through a boss fight, you'll just struggle. Idk if it's by design or not, but if not, then they need to figure out what a Limited Job really is meant to be.

[RyuDragnier]

The last thing I want to see is BLU getting access to Bozja/Eureka. Not everything needs to be turned into baby mode. Just turn BLU into a normal job. SE never had problems bending classic jobs so they fit (for better or worse) into the game.

ROFL easy mode...you know how squishy BLU is, right? If you're in a full BLU party the BLU healer has very little downtime from healing, the BLU tank will just take that much damage, even with the tank cooldowns BLU can get. Now imagine how much damage BLU will take if they get hit by a mechanic they shouldn't...it'll be a OHKO.

[Raikai]

I really support the OP.

Blue Mages need more things to do at their level cap, and Solo Deep Dungeons are the most obvious choice of content. It even matches what was advertised previously about being a solo friendly job. Just make its own scoreboard and achievements, so it wouldn't invalidate other jobs.

I think there are two ways of approaching the gameplay.

1) Easy route: Have the job as it is, and maybe to limit some OP spells like instant deaths, make those specific ones not work, just like it happens with bosses. An alternate balancing version could be disabling certain pomanders;

2) Hard route (and the coolest one): Put some actual designing effort and have each DD have its own active spellbooks that you need to fill through your run and you start with just Water Cannon. Maybe you'd want to find some certain rare monsters for certain spells, and bosses can teach you powerful moves too. This way the power can be balanced out without a lot of 'exceptions'.

6.45 adds PotD and HoH, 7.45 adds EO, because you'd have the matching level cap by then. Come to think about it, it would also provide a tier leveling alternative other than the boring overworld farming spots.

[Deveryn]

And most of those abilities are niche and situational at best. I know "Limited" means they don't need to balance it or tweak it, but they could at least bother to make it useable in the little content it's going to be used in. Instead it seems like it's just there for posing and Carnivale. You take it through a boss fight, you'll just struggle. Idk if it's by design or not, but if not, then they need to figure out what a Limited Job really is meant to be.

It is by design. BLU is a glass cannon and is meant to offer a challenge on bosses. That is how it started in Carnivale and it extended all the way into the extreme / savage content. There is still a level of cheese going on, but everybody has to be at their best to get through the fight. Where your standard fights have some room for error, there is very little in BLU. There's no waiting for the ilvl to improve and make the fight easier. Getting gud is the only option.

[Kaurhz]

Here's my thing with BLU:

Against normal enemies it's pretty overpowered. But against bosses that are immune to the vast majority of status effects and one hit deaths? They're just a slightly stronger version of SMN that has mana issues. Because their "ability" actions require MP, which no other caster job in the game has to deal with, and they have a LOT of abilities they use.

Assuming you're thinking in terms of, say, damage output, it's not really exclusively relating to this as there are certain mechanics that can be cheesed quite easily, and depending on how well you time your abilities you can absolutely skip quite a bit too - My initial first T9 kill on BLU we skipped divebombs entirely, and further to this someone messed up golems and they fused into a larger one - Yet we still knocked it off. That being said, my comment was also made in reference to people being stupid enough to think that I would expect it possible to use Ultravibration combo in PotD, or alternatively be able to use other spells such as Missile, or Tail Screw, or similar with Eureka.

Whether you detract from these and it only becomes a slightly more powerful class - They still elected to develop the class itself, and regardless of my personal feelings about output, I would still like them to elect to take the route of common courtesy and allow us to actually do more with BLU. - Including raid achievements was a nice starting point for the class, commit further.

[Deveryn]

Assuming you're thinking in terms of, say, damage output, it's not really exclusively relating to this as there are certain mechanics that can be cheesed quite easily, and depending on how well you time your abilities you can absolutely skip quite a bit too - My initial first T9 kill on BLU we skipped divebombs entirely, and further to this someone messed up golems and they fused into a larger one - Yet we still knocked it off. That being said, my comment was also made in reference to people being stupid enough to think that I would expect it possible to use Ultravibration combo in PotD, or alternatively be able to use other spells such as Missile, or Tail Screw, or similar with Eureka.

Whether you detract from these and it only becomes a slightly more powerful class - They still elected to develop the class itself, and regardless of my personal feelings about output, I would still like them to elect to take the route of common courtesy and allow us to actually do more with BLU. - Including raid achievements was a nice starting point for the class, commit further.

In the end, it's extra work they have to do in tuning the content to ensure that everything works as it should. They already do this for the main content. There's no real value in tuning all the DD content for BLU. You're talking about niche on top of niche and the end result is just speeding up the farming process if they even allow it.