Deep dungeon for BLU only

[Midareyukki]

What made Blue Mage "Blue Mage" was that it:

• Wore blue clothes
• Stole, copied, or learnt skills from Monsters, rather than leveling-up or spell-scrolls
• Wielded Monster skills in battle, rather than traditional Black/White spells

THAT'S. IT. That's Blue Mage. That's all you needed to do!!

Even then, what you're describing is the traditional Blue Mage o: Final Fantasy has introduced variants

Because if we go by FF8, you obtained spells via items.
In FF9, you had to eat an enemy with the skill you wanted to learn.
In FF10, you had a specific command you had to use to learn the spell.
And though Brave Exvius takes a spin on the traditional approach, which is one I hoped the devs would implement. The Blue Magic you get is tied to the story progression.

And there's nothing wrong with the story quests being like "Ok, defeat that enemy. See WoL? You learned that thing's magic. Also, here, your crystal stirrs or something, so you have magic someone else learned in the past to help you with your rotation".
You'd get the same thing. You'd skip the Learn mechanic, but personally that's okay. Things don't need to be directly translated, and things don't need to always be gimmicky. And you'd preserve the flavour of the class (one of using enemy skills in combat).

"Oh but their skills would be too broken"
Yeah, well, DRK usually uses their HP to use skills and we don't have that. Now hush. We can be creative for once. :P

[4clubbedace]

But for Blue Mage, the developers chose not to do it, because Mr. Yoshida (and advisors) apparently decided to use his (their) biased and distorted personal impression of what Blue Mage is, to define the boundaries of what the Job could or could not be for everyone else.
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Blue mage learn their skills from monsters, if this was a 2.0 class you could have each job quest give you 1 spell, at that point its the same as any other caster in the game

the gimmick isnt quite that they "use" monster spells, youre forgetitng the other half where they have to LEARN monster spells from battle

that, and the way 14s content is made (instanced, not the open world style of 11/eureka) would be a balancing nightmare,

so the option was, a unrestrained blu where you can have fun on the side, or a blu thats the same as a normal class that feels divorced from the two tenants of blue

they went with the former

[Ravenblade1979]

Blue mage learn their skills from monsters, if this was a 2.0 class you could have each job quest give you 1 spell, at that point its the same as any other caster in the game

the gimmick isnt quite that they "use" monster spells, youre forgetitng the other half where they have to LEARN monster spells from battle

that, and the way 14s content is made (instanced, not the open world style of 11/eureka) would be a balancing nightmare,

so the option was, a unrestrained blu where you can have fun on the side, or a blu thats the same as a normal class that feels divorced from the two tenants of blue

they went with the former

yeah happen to agree. i think yoshi p even said they would need to make the class normal which would lose the essence of what it is now. i mean if people want another boring dps. i say devs..give it to them and watch them whine their op strats don't have the same effect

[Winterfang]

the gimmick isnt quite that they "use" monster spells, youre forgetitng the other half where they have to LEARN monster spells from battle

Whalaqee Totems would like a word with you.

[Ravenblade1979]

Whalaqee Totems would like a word with you.

the rest of the skill list and the blue mage carnival would love to have a word with you.

btw thats only 11/104 spells you get from the totems and even they have conditions you have to meet..like learning x amount of skills, getting so far in blue mage carnival etc

[Winterfang]

the rest of the skill list and the blue mage carnival would love to have a word with you

. Saying that Blue Mage HAS to learn spells from battle when even in this game it isn't true is being deceitful.
And learning spells isn't hard either, so aside from plaza AFK'ers who complain about having to leave the the city if they want to learn spells, lts not asking a lot to put in some investment if someone wants to actually play an Iconic Final Fantasy Job.

[Curisu]

Another BLU update without Potd or HoH.

Just make it possible for BLU to go in solo. Make the normal solo title and archievment unobtainable as BLU.
It is content for themself, they dont harm other player and no one cares if they are to strong in there.

Same for Ultimates, just let them enter it and disable all drops when a BLU is in the group.

Give players a choice to enjoy the game/content just for the fun of it.

[ThaCa]

BLU is more fun than most of new normal Jobs, they should make more limited Jobs, not less.

Instead they are going to put out generic copy paste Job #20 or something.

[Winterfang]

BLU is more fun than most of new normal Jobs, they should make more limited Jobs, not less.

Instead they are going to put out generic copy paste Job #20 or something.

The answer to not having generic copy paste Jobs shouldn't be Jobs that can't get into content in the first place, it doesn't resolve the problem and just stupidly creates more issues.
They can't even properly support the 1 Limited Job they have in the 2 Expansion it's been around, the hells do you think they can support even more without it biting into content for real jobs, as if they aren't already facing enough issues as it is.

[ForsakenRoe]

People can go into content at level 90 without a job stone equipped. The 'oh what if you don't have the right spells' argument holds no water. The 'oh what if you took a BLU into raid and it oneshot the boss with LVLDeath' does not either because every raidboss is hardcoded to be immune to death effects (and the effect can be adjusted to 'tries to instakill, if it fails, deals damage with a potency of X'

The 'identity' of BLU was never anything more than 'learn enemy spells somehow (even the method isn't consistent!), use enemy spells'. So if there were a system, where you learn a basic set of skills (to make sure that every BLU at max has 'the right spells'), and the spells you go out and 'learn' for the identity part were 'spell glamours', that'd resolve every issue. The 'extra effects' like 'oh Ink Jet blinds' or 'LVL death instantkills' can be tied to additional effect text that only applies when unsync or in the carnivale. And the carnivale would stay as both a BLU exclusive piece of content and a vehicle to deliver some of the job quests through. If Performance is locked behind levelling BRD, why not have Carnivale be BLU's 'thing'

In fact, here is a list I made of what spells could essentially be 'glamours' of each other.

But yes, the fact that 'class that is all about levelling faster via open world grinding on mobs, and learning skills from them' is not able to go int Eureka, which is 'zone all about levelling via open world grinding on mobs, many varieties of them with different skills' is possibly the biggest missed trick I've ever seen in gaming. And I saw Blizzard miss their chance to own DOTA, so the bar's pretty high