Housing Roulette was an absolute trash idea.

[Tint]

It sounds elitist, but the problem is that the lottery is at such a low price that it isn't fair for people who made extra efforts to buy a house.

They actually reduced the prices at some point in time.

When the housing in 2.1 launched the prices were different for each world and way more expensive. On the most expensive worlds they startet at 40 mio for a small, 150 mio for a medium and 500 mio for a large.
There was a system in place which reduced the price every few hours. It still was in place until they changed to the lottery system but nobody cared because houses were way too cheap anyway.

With todays inflation these prices seem a lot more reasonable than the 3, 16 and 40 mio we have now.

[TakumiHarada]

They actually reduced the prices at some point in time.

When the housing in 2.1 launched the prices were different for each world and way more expensive. On the most expensive worlds they startet at 40 mio for a small, 150 mio for a medium and 500 mio for a large.
There was a system in place which reduced the price every few hours. It still was in place until they changed to the lottery system but nobody cared because houses were way too cheap anyway.

With todays inflation these prices seem a lot more reasonable than the 3, 16 and 40 mio we have now.

This is true, because during 1.x it was way easier to earn money even compared to now.
Housing was a way to take money away from those legacy players.
Plus at that time houses were designed to be for FC only, so they expected people to put in money together.

Now the problem is exacerbated by the fact that not only are the houses too affordable, but also the period for people to save up money for the next chance to get a house is way too long.
Last time housing was added was 6.1, which was 9 months ago.
People had 9 months to save up. 50m may need a little bit of business skills, but 20m isn't unachievable even by just doing daily stuff, not to mention only 3m.

And I'm saying the prices should go up with the assumption that houses are not for everyone, as opposed to apartments.
This is necessary so that people who are willing to make an effort to earn money can actually get a house, instead of completely relying on luck.

If someone presumes that everyone can own a house, I'm really not sure how many wards devs actually need to add to satisfy the insatiable demand.

[Seraphor]

They actually reduced the prices at some point in time.

When the housing in 2.1 launched the prices were different for each world and way more expensive. On the most expensive worlds they startet at 40 mio for a small, 150 mio for a medium and 500 mio for a large.
There was a system in place which reduced the price every few hours. It still was in place until they changed to the lottery system but nobody cared because houses were way too cheap anyway.

With todays inflation these prices seem a lot more reasonable than the 3, 16 and 40 mio we have now.

40 mil for a small doesn't seem reasonable given that nobody wants smalls and there's virtually always a small free in any ward on a non-congested server. You'd turn wards into dead zones overnight.

But given how hotly contested Larges and even Mediums are...

Small: 10 mil
Medium: 40 mil
Large: 200 mil

Sounds about right, and more or less reflects the difference in floor scale.

I also think Larges should be FC only, and have a higher restriction of 10 members. This excludes single-player shell FC's, they'd need at least two other characters form other player/s involved.

[LianaThorne]

40 mil for a small doesn't seem reasonable given that nobody wants smalls and there's virtually always a small free in any ward on a non-congested server. You'd turn wards into dead zones overnight.

But given how hotly contested Larges and even Mediums are...

Small: 10 mil
Medium: 40 mil
Large: 200 mil

Sounds about right, and more or less reflects the difference in floor scale.

I also think Larges should be FC only, and have a higher restriction of 10 members. This excludes single-player shell FC's, they'd need at least two other characters form other player/s involved.

I like that jump from 40m to 200m. Trying to exclude people for better odds or do you want people to funnel more into RMT? Slapping a price tag like that on something people want is just going to resort to people taking drastic measures to get it.

Also, it won't remove single player FCs as there are people who have more than one account and copy of the game. I can also just make 8 chars and scoop 2 off a friend with them never using the FC at all. Will still be a single player FC.

[Stormpeaks]

I like that jump from 40m to 200m. Trying to exclude people for better odds or do you want people to funnel more into RMT? Slapping a price tag like that on something people want is just going to resort to people taking drastic measures to get it.

Also, it won't remove single player FCs as there are people who have more than one account and copy of the game. I can also just make 8 chars and scoop 2 off a friend with them never using the FC at all. Will still be a single player FC.

This is literally what these people want

Make the price tag higher
Remove multiowners from the game

So basically all that is left is a very TINY minority of players that are able to afford it, while in reality, they could simply just get a plot in goblet or empy and solve the housing "crisis", but no, it's better to complain.

I will just use this as an example, as of right now, Ragnarok which is the biggest EU world along with Cerberus has a Shiro 60 and a Goblet 35.

Shiro 60 has 40 bids, Goblet 35 has 3 bids.

And then people say there is a housing crisis, why add to the 40 bids instead of bidding on the one that has literally barely any ?

It's a self inflicted problem, stop being greedy and always wanting shirogane or mist. And this goes for EVERY world.

Balmung has a medium LB with over 40 bids, and yet there is another medium Goblet that has 2 bids on it.

[LianaThorne]

This is literally what these people want

Make the price tag higher
Remove multiowners from the game

So basically all that is left is a very TINY minority of players that are able to afford it, while in reality, they could simply just get a plot in goblet or empy and solve the housing "crisis", but no, it's better to complain.

I will just use this as an example, as of right now, Ragnarok which is the biggest EU world along with Cerberus has a Shiro 60 and a Goblet 35.

Shiro 60 has 40 bids, Goblet 35 has 3 bids.

And then people say there is a housing crisis, why add to the 40 bids instead of bidding on the one that has literally barely any ?

It's a self inflicted problem, stop being greedy and always wanting shirogane or mist. And this goes for EVERY world.

Balmung has a medium LB with over 40 bids, and yet there is another medium Goblet that has 2 bids on it.

I can understand people wanting specific plots but yeah....kind of is a self-inflicted problem if the need for said plot is greater than just having a house. Couldn't be me.

I started with a small that had a view I didn't hate and went for a relocation recently into something more ideal in Goblet (cause I actually enjoy Goblet lmao). My point was just to get a house and I'd upgrade over time when it was smart to do so. Been working out so far, more people should try it. If it's smart to do so when we get new wards, I'll try rolling for a large but it's not something I'm going to stress over either.

[Seraphor]

I like that jump from 40m to 200m. Trying to exclude people for better odds or do you want people to funnel more into RMT? Slapping a price tag like that on something people want is just going to resort to people taking drastic measures to get it.

Also, it won't remove single player FCs as there are people who have more than one account and copy of the game. I can also just make 8 chars and scoop 2 off a friend with them never using the FC at all. Will still be a single player FC.

The people who own Larges already have this kind of money, and I'm not one of them, I'm happy with my small and I wouldn't even be able to afford 40m for the Medium via my suggestion anyway. I have literally priced myself out of my own suggested system, because I think it's fairer.

It baffles me how single players can buy Larges up and basically do nothing with them while actual FC's are forced into Small's, even when they have the money for a Large.

By forcing more than 8 players (should even be active players, that have been online in the past x days) that forces those who would circumvent this system to pay for two subscriptions per house instead of one. That alone is halving the problem right away.
Better yet, is they should be able to discern characters owned by a single account, so that it requires 8+ unique accounts per FC. If you have alts in an FC, it should be able to recognise that they're all the same account and only count it as 1 character.

[Stormpeaks]

The people who own Larges already have this kind of money, and I'm not one of them, I'm happy with my small and I wouldn't even be able to afford 40m for the Medium via my suggestion anyway. I have literally priced myself out of my own suggested system, because I think it's fairer.

It baffles me how single players can buy Larges up and basically do nothing with them while actual FC's are forced into Small's, even when they have the money for a Large.

By forcing more than 8 players (should even be active players, that have been online in the past x days) that forces those who would circumvent this system to pay for two subscriptions per house instead of one. That alone is halving the problem right away.
Better yet, is they should be able to discern characters owned by a single account, so that it requires 8+ unique accounts per FC. If you have alts in an FC, it should be able to recognise that they're all the same account and only count it as 1 character.

Take. The. Houses. That. Are. Available.

This is Zodiark, there are ENOUGH larges available, stop trying to strip things away from people.

https://imgur.com/a/SNHYiAC

On top of all of the larges, there's about 120 mediums also open, and NO LESS than 920 small houses available.

[LianaThorne]

Take. The. Houses. That. Are. Available.

This is Zodiark, there are ENOUGH larges available, stop trying to strip things away from people.

https://imgur.com/a/SNHYiAC

On top of all of the larges, there's about 120 mediums also open, and NO LESS than 920 small houses available.

There's literally over 1000 mediums open across all of Dynamis and at least 200 larges. I just checked Paissa lol.

I really struggle to take these threads seriously when the supply is there but people act like it isn't. If you don't want to move then fair enough but stop pretending the plots just don't exist.

[Stormpeaks]

There's literally over 1000 mediums open across all of Dynamis. I just checked Paissa lol.

Exactly, this is such a non issue, and yet we keep seeing these threads pop up crying about multiowners as if they take every spot that is available, while there is so much availability it's insane.