Housing Roulette was an absolute trash idea.

[Vrankyl]

The way to make them based on dedication rather than luck is to make them actual auctions given to the highest bidder. Could also let people sell plots they own at whatever price they want, with the buyers paying that plus some tax. It greatly fuels RMT but I've always thought letting the free market decide how limited resources are exchanged makes more sense than any system they've used before.

The amount of terrible that is in this idea is outrageous. Before they put an end to House scalping Larges on busy servers like Balmung were being sold for 500+ M gil and many were being sold for hundreds of dollars IRL on Japanese and NA servers alike. As the US economy has proven, a true Free Market is not sustainable and will always be abused by the few at the detriment to the many. Thankfully, the Dev team would never never ever trust us with that power in our hands again and I say good riddance.

[Renathras]

As the US economy has proven, a true Free Market is not sustainable and will always be abused by the few at the detriment to the many.

What are you talking about? The US doesn't have a Free Market. The US has pretty heavily regulated markets. It's not a Command & Control economy, but it's not a Free Market. There are tons of regulations on economic activity in the US, licensing, quality and consumer protection, minimum wages, and so on. Those are all regulatory constraints on an economy and not a Free Market. (NOTE: You may think they're good, and that's fine, but it's not a Free Market, it's a Regulated Market system. If anything, it shows how cronyism thrives in systems of market regulation, not the evils of unfettered markets...)

That said: The placard clicking is terrible. I don't know why anyone would want that. It gives the illusion of agency when you really have none.

Imo, the simple solution is when they introduce new Wards to do so with some lottery and some placard (what I initially thought they were going to do) and let people do one or the other (you would be prohibited from the placard game while having an open bid so you couldn't put in a bid as "insurance" and then go placard clicking - you'd have to pick one or the other). Then we'd find out really quick which worked better and which people liked more.

People like OP aren't complaining because they can't get a house. I'm on a high pop server and there were tons of houses with 2, 1, or even 0 bids. The house I just got had 0 bids on it.

What they're complaining about is they didn't get the Large (or possibly Medium) house they wanted in the prime location where everyone else also wanted it and there was a lot of competition, and for some reason, they imagine if it was placard clicking, those same people (and more) wouldn't have just been spamming the placard and them lose it anyway. It's a person pissed that they didn't get the thing they wanted - that tons of other people also wanted - and blaming the system instead of themselves, and who want special advantages like "If I own a Small I should have a leg up over some new Sprout in the game buying that Large that I want."

Some special kind of entitlement, that.

If you have a house, be content with what you have.

If you don't, go for a Small, there are plenty up for grabs since everyone went for the Mediums and Larges.

If you aren't happy with either of those options...I'm sorry? Life sadly doesn't always give you what you want, I guess? /shrug

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but is it worse to give it to a random person or someone who grinded the most money

It's worse to give it to the person who grinded the most money.

Seriously, you leveled Crafting. Good for you. That doesn't mean you should have whatever you want at the expense of everyone else. People have to have 3-5M for a Small, 18-21M for a Medium, and god knows how much for a Large already. That's the price. You don't get to further tip the scale to you just because you grind gil so you can have imaginary advantages over other people. This isn't Davos.

So legit question, no snark as I am not a game developer and don't know how things work. People have argued that instanced housing for everyone isn't possible due to things like server space, but then they give everyone an island sanctuary.

People don't actually want instanced server housing. Apartments were already that. People want to make houses in communal areas where they can see and be seen by others and have people over and have a larger canvas to make stuff on. Many (not all, but many) people with houses don't want them to be instanced like the Apartments. If we had Apartments where you could do all the house things (larger size, plants), people would still be upset because that isn't what people collectively want.

[Corvus_V]

If you aren't happy with either of those options...I'm sorry? Life sadly doesn't always give you what you want, I guess? /shrug

Do you want to give me 15$ a month so I can do nothing for you too?

Whats with these simps? It's "entitlement" to want to access part of the game there's no actual reason you shouldn't be able to?

Where the hell have you been and what polling site did you use to gather that nobody wants instanced housing because of apartments? Where do these guys keep coming from?

How out of touch do you have to be to think that people want to pay 300k to decorate a shoe box? Have you seen the wards post lottery? There's like hundreds of smalls that no one bid on because people don't even want those. That's entitlement? No, the issue is the ward system itself, and it was never based on community in the first because it doesnt and hasn't facilitated that in literally years and hasn't since as far back as HW or ARR

[Renathras]

Do you want to give me 15$ a month so I can do nothing for you too?

Whats with these simps? It's "entitlement" to want to access part of the game there's no actual reason you shouldn't be able to?

You pay $15 a month, that doesn't mean you're given every Job at max level, every mount, minion, emote, armor set, etc.

It's entitlement if you think you should be given things over other people just because you think you're more worth it, yes. That's quite possibly one of the better definitions for entitlement. Those other people pay their $15/month, too. Why should you get it and not them?

[Corvus_V]

You pay $15 a month, that doesn't mean you're given every Job at max level, every mount, minion, emote, armor set, etc.

It's entitlement if you think you should be given things over other people just because you think you're more worth it, yes. That's quite possibly one of the better definitions for entitlement. Those other people pay their $15/month, too. Why should you get it and not them?

No, it's not entitlement for anyone who has 50m to have access to a large house.

You aren't given every job at max level, etc, but you have every opportunity to do that; it isn't the same case with this facet of the game, which you do infact pay for, and you're arguing no one should be complaining about it because they have access to smalls; which is horseshit. I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that it was at all equivalent because in terms of what a player can do, no one can step on your shoes and stop you from getting to cap by being world first.

The previous system actually did facilitate a process of owning and upgrading a house, and you had opportunities to get one even if you didnt just "get lucky." Owning a small and then relocating opens up a small plot, the net land remains at 0. Getting a small was getting your foot in the door. It's better than lottery to some but they are both dogshit. It was also in its own way, entitlement to change it to lottery when people prepared to own larger houses by first getting smalls. Just because they changed the rules doesn't mean it was fair to them either

On the other hand, Square Enix can do nothing for you or anyone else for 15$ a month, and you'll defend them on forums from people who are dissatisfied with this absolute mess of a housing system; so I figured maybe I could get a piece of the pie and buy some eggs or something

also the funny part is you can also just buy level and quest skips from the cash shop so you can actually just brute force your way through it with money
(just like you can abuse the lottery system by bidding multiple times on one plot via FC, very gracefully crushing any personal buyers like the RMTers on dynamis)

[Renathras]

No, it's not entitlement for anyone who has 50m to have access to a large house.

It IS entitlement if you think you deserve it over other people.

You aren't given every job at max level, etc, but you have every opportunity to do that;

Correct. Just as you have the opportunity to enter the lottery and get a house. Same thing. Notice I didn't JUST say every Job at max level. I included mounts, minions, and so on, many of which are dictated by RNG. You could run Dead Ends 10,000 times and never get that stupid bird minion to drop. You have the opportunity to engage with the content. Some content is guaranteed if you just continue with effort (e.g. leveling a Job), some is based on effort and luck (e.g. winning a drop mount, minion, etc), and some is pure luck (e.g. housing and many minions and some mounts, etc)

and you're arguing no one should be complaining about it because they have access to smalls; which is horseshit lol

No, it's a valid argument. Something I've seen from your...I'll charitably call them "arguments"...here is that you don't have many, and have a lot of bad ones. One of your "arguments" was to reply to someone with "Wrong". No explanation, no actual argument or rebuttal. You want something. You're mad you didn't get that thing. And you're taking it out on anyone and everyone who doesn't support you getting that thing.

Things aren't "horseshit" because you say they are. You just don't want anything other than a specific thing and won't accept anything less. That is entitlement. Sorry, life doesn't give you the top thing you want because you just want it.

The previous system actually did facilitate a process of owning and upgrading a house,

Not for most people. It was a lucky few and an arguably MORE arbitrary method than this one - if you happened to hit the placard after the random timer for it to be on sale activated and were the first person to do it. Moreover, it was a case of "the rich get richer" as those who already had a house had an unfair advantage to get an even bigger house than people who didn't have a house had to get any house.

The prior system was both subjectively and objectively worse by almost every metric, as many people in this thread have said and you just don't want to hear because you have a delusion that if you were clicking a placard right now you'd get lucky and get what you want.

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Anyway, I see no reason to engage with you further. You can be irrational and angry if you want to be. But that doesn't make you correct nor give your arguments any more weight. You're upset and lashing out, and so logic can't reach you, so I won't bother trying anymore.

[Corvus_V]

It IS entitlement if you think you deserve it over other people.

anyone who has 50m

Correct. Just as you have the opportunity to enter the lottery and get a house. Same thing. Notice I didn't JUST say every Job at max level. I included mounts, minions, and so on, many of which are dictated by RNG. You could run Dead Ends 10,000 times and never get that stupid bird minion to drop. You have the opportunity to engage with the content. Some content is guaranteed if you just continue with effort (e.g. leveling a Job), some is based on effort and luck (e.g. winning a drop mount, minion, etc), and some is pure luck (e.g. housing and many minions and some mounts, etc)

Why don't you try explaining this in a way that makes the game sound good? You included some things you can literally buy with money, and some things you can't but you can earn through persistence, which isn't the case for housing due to the fact that its a scarcity where the rarity of it is not based on how many people are trying to get it; so why are you acting like there are parallels? When I think of things that are meant to immerse me by being inconvenient I think of things like a transportation system, akin to a subway (ala fishing boat); not the prospects of house ownership in the Americas, or getting robbed at a casino.

No, it's a valid argument. Something I've seen from your...I'll charitably call them "arguments"...here is that you don't have many, and have a lot of bad ones. One of your "arguments" was to reply to someone with "Wrong". No explanation, no actual argument or rebuttal. You want something. You're mad you didn't get that thing. And you're taking it out on anyone and everyone who doesn't support you getting that thing.

My arguments are cynical, because I have reason to be cynical and because every expansion that has come out has produced less content and assets for the same price. I've laid my arguments out clearly, and I deny "buh servers" because it's a fucking lie. I don't have to play pretend with you, so I don't have to answer you with a reason why my made up shit is more valid than your made up shit. We've seen how IS handled instances, we've seen how it mildly strains the server at best, and we (or at least I) believe in object permanence; and that not every single person who owns a house, especially in an instance, will log in and stand inside of it for the sole purpose of setting the game on fire. Especially given the performance of the "community ghost towns" of which there are like 2-3 people in simultaneously, outdoors, if any.

[MrJPtheAssassin]

People like OP aren't complaining because they can't get a house. I'm on a high pop server and there were tons of houses with 2, 1, or even 0 bids. The house I just got had 0 bids on it.

What they're complaining about is they didn't get the Large (or possibly Medium) house they wanted in the prime location where everyone else also wanted it and there was a lot of competition, and for some reason, they imagine if it was placard clicking, those same people (and more) wouldn't have just been spamming the placard and them lose it anyway. It's a person pissed that they didn't get the thing they wanted - that tons of other people also wanted - and blaming the system instead of themselves, and who want special advantages like "If I own a Small I should have a leg up over some new Sprout in the game buying that Large that I want."
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This isn't true for all of us who wanted a med or large. I went to the lowest bidded large in ishgrad(bc I want to live there and not the ugly goblet) and still lost even tho only 2 other ppl were bidding on the house. This system is a feelbad system because all the power is taken from the player's hands and left to an rng system. If we was on the placard system I would most likely have better odds bc I would log out near the house I wanted the night before the maint that unlocked the ward and then wake up 30 min before maint ends to hope to get in before anyone else. That is how I got my very first house in SB and it felt amazing. It felt like I was rewarded bc I took the time to think out a plan and woke up early. Even if I didn't get that house back is SB at least I know I tried my hardest. Now tho I feel empty when I lose a bid because I know there was nothing I could do. All the power is taken from my hands and rng god just didn't shine on me. On top of that, I have to walk back the plot and watch the person who did win standing there enjoying thier house just bc they go lucky in a random num picker. They didn't work for that house, they just got really lucky. Yeah clicking a placard isnt a good system either but the lottery isn't much better imo. It still makes you feel bad when you lose a house and for me, I honestly feel worst in this system bc I have to rely on one thing that I have always been bad at and that is luck. I'm always been really unlucky in loot rolls and genshin so a system that requires being lucky means that I most likely will never leave the area and I might as well just give up.

[Amenara]

This isn't true for all of us who wanted a med or large. I went to the lowest bidded large in ishgrad(bc I want to live there and not the ugly goblet) and still lost even tho only 2 other ppl were bidding on the house. This system is a feelbad system because all the power is taken from the player's hands and left to an rng system. If we was on the placard system I would most likely have better odds bc I would log out near the house I wanted the night before the maint that unlocked the ward and then wake up 30 min before maint ends to hope to get in before anyone else. That is how I got my very first house in SB and it felt amazing. It felt like I was rewarded bc I took the time to think out a plan and woke up early. Even if I didn't get that house back is SB at least I know I tried my hardest. Now tho I feel empty when I lose a bid because I know there was nothing I could do. All the power is taken from my hands and rng god just didn't shine on me. On top of that, I have to walk back the plot and watch the person who did win standing there enjoying thier house just bc they go lucky in a random num picker. They didn't work for that house, they just got really lucky. Yeah clicking a placard isnt a good system either but the lottery isn't much better imo. It still makes you feel bad when you lose a house and for me, I honestly feel worst in this system bc I have to rely on one thing that I have always been bad at and that is luck. I'm always been really unlucky in loot rolls and genshin so a system that requires being lucky means that I most likely will never leave the area and I might as well just give up.

I will agree it's dumb that you have to walk back to the placard to get your money back and wish they put a bit more thought into that. I agree that the lottery system is better than placard system, good we can agree on something.

[MrJPtheAssassin]

I will agree it's dumb that you have to walk back to the placard to get your money back and wish they put a bit more thought into that. I agree that the lottery system is better than placard system, good we can agree on something.

Well, I never said it was better. I just said that the placard system wasn't a good system. I don't think the lottery system is any better than that. Personally, I want a mix of the lottery and first come wards as they promise us before they added the lottery system. That way I can choose what system to interact with and be given the chance to wake up early on the morning they add new wards to get grab a house. Shoot I personally think med and larges should be on first come and smalls are on a lottery system since med and larges are a lot rarer than smalls.