Housing Roulette was an absolute trash idea.

[MrJPtheAssassin]

So what's your solution that will fix it and have no downsides and not cost SE far more money than it's worth?

I do agree a 7 day cycle would be nice, though. Or 14 day. Something that works evenly in a week. But I don't think it's necessary, I just don't see it as particularly worse or better. I guess I'm ambivalent on that.

Tbh I shouldn't even reply to you since I have you on ignore list and you are one of the main ppl on this thread that gets under my skin the most but hey I just hate myself I guess. Why do I have to come up with a solution for problems the devs created themselves? I stand by what I say that you and other who don't like the idea are just nah-sayers and want everyone to think it's impossible when its not. Yeah, it would mean they would need to spend money on reworking the housing system but they could do it and make a bunch of ppl happy. Just because you and others want to cling to the fantasy idea of a neighborhood feel, that doesn't even exist since no one hangs out in the wards anyway and rather afk in limsa, doesn't mean anything to me and the other who wants instanced housing. You say we need to stop isn't going to make us stop. I'm going to continue and no one especially you, a negative lil lala, is going to stop me or discourage me. So you keep on with your "Its impossible" train and I keep going on my "instanced housing is only the real fix" train. By the way, other games(including mmos) have shown that instanced housing can work so it's not all impossible. Just requires the devs to actually put in more work and money instead of making cheap and lazy glam items for the cash shop.

[Denji]

i'm sorry but at least this gives me a chance instead of competing against a literal machine that can spam-click a thousand times a minute
it still sucks and i am not defending it but man at least i have a better chance now.

[Corvus_V]

If they did that they'd never hear the end about how they're scamming the playerbase. The mogshop is already a point of contention as it is.

To who? and why? The mogstation items suck, lmao. They're totally inconsequential. You're not aware of how awfully received the Gaia outfit is? It's one of the laziest ports they've ever added, it's not about the money. They simply are just too lazy to add dozens of other npc outfits as well, because they can barely even be bothered to make more than 10 unique sets of armor per expansion. People do stuff like this in their spare time for fun and it probably doesn't count as a FTJ.

Good vision, poor execution. It can work but they should have waited.

Waited for what?

Being able to afford things others can't is a privilege

No it isn't, but I'm not going to argue with you about the world in general or what working people do with their money being a privilege. You're allowed to reply again in this line and I'll ignore it without debating you because no matter what you say you're wrong.

and as far as being grateful, it's a two way street. The playerbase should be grateful the developers released something they can enjoy and the developers should be grateful the players enjoy it.

If Square Enix didn't make Final Fantasy XIV, I wouldn't be here complaining about it. I'd play something else with my friends since it theoretically wouldn't exist for anyone else with more attachment than I do to miss it.

I have been 100% supportive of completely revamping the housing system to fix supply issues since forever

I'll admit I was nitpicking, because as you can see page per page, people like to come up with solutions that continue to ruin it for swathes of the playerbase by maintaining the status quo or not thinking long term. So when I saw "try" my most immediate thought was "This person thinks the lottery is good, specifically because it was better than placard spamming" I apologize. I've been having a ton of fun with Dwarf Fortress and I'm distracted, and just annoyed that there's no alleged end in sight to this bullshit, and the people who are apathetic about it love to defend their insular forum communities against any kind of criticism against SE when it's their problem to fix. Also, I hit my post limit yesterday simulating a unamicable divorce from FFXIV small houses for their impotence. I even plagiarized my apology letter; now you have a sincere one.

[Joven]

To who? and why? The mogstation items suck, lmao. They're totally inconsequential. You're not aware of how awfully received the Gaia outfit is? It's one of the laziest ports they've ever added, it's not about the money. They simply are just too lazy to add dozens of other npc outfits as well, because they can barely even be bothered to make more than 10 unique sets of armor per expansion. People do stuff like this in their spare time for fun and it probably doesn't count as a FTJ.

To people like you who believe that because they pay a subscription they should have access to everything the game has to offer. The idea that any items made should be in game and not a seperate sale.

Waited for what?

Waited for it to be finished instead of rushing it because people were demanding it.

No it isn't, but I'm not going to argue with you about the world in general or what working people do with their money being a privilege. You're allowed to reply again in this line and I'll ignore it without debating you because no matter what you say you're wrong.

Agree to disagree then and just because you do doesn't make me wrong.

If Square Enix didn't make Final Fantasy XIV, I wouldn't be here complaining about it. I'd play something else with my friends since it theoretically wouldn't exist for anyone else with more attachment than I do to miss it.

Yet you're here, which means you're enjoying it for the most part. If not then, as you said, would be playing something else.

[Corvus_V]

To people like you who believe that because they pay a subscription they should have access to anything the game has to offer. The idea that any gear should be in game and not a seperate sale.

Well for one, the assets already exist if an NPC is wearing it; there's just a decent chance that it doesn't function as seperate gear pieces, depending. Would I pay for something like Garlean armor, because I think it looks cool? Yes. It'd require them to model it for one or two other races though, so they won't. They also likely wouldn't seperate it into the appropriate slots.

I have no idea where you got this idea that people shouldn't have to pay for a special cosmetic item; or that I would be someone arguing alongside them. What I'm arguing is that they did a shit job doing it and did it in the laziest way possible. You'll notice my problem with them is relatively consistent because it's obvious how little they put back into the game, even if they could sell it. The fact that they basically did without actually creating a new asset or seperating any of the pieces shows that it was a total cash grab; its bad because it's bad, not because it costs money. The point I'm driving across is that they're lazy and they handle things in the lazy way, not that I care. I can't fucking wear it anyway lol

Waited for it to be finished instead of rushing it because people were demanding it.

Finished to what extent? You're saying its unfinished? What would it look like if it was finished?

Yet you're here, which means you're enjoying it for the most part. If not then, as you said, would be playing something else.

I apologize. I've been having a ton of fun with Dwarf Fortress and I'm distracted

lol, lmao even

[Joven]

Well for one, the assets already exist if an NPC is wearing it; there's just a decent chance that it doesn't function as seperate gear pieces, depending. Would I pay for something like Garlean armor, because I think it looks cool? Yes. It'd require them to model it for one or two other races though, so they won't. They also likely wouldn't seperate it into the appropriate slots.

I have no idea where you got this idea that people shouldn't have to pay for a special cosmetic item; or that I would be someone arguing alongside them. What I'm arguing is that they did a shit job doing it and did it in the laziest way possible. You'll notice my problem with them is relatively consistent because it's obvious how little they put back into the game, even if they could sell it. The fact that they basically did without actually creating a new asset or seperating any of the pieces shows that it was a total cash grab; its bad because it's bad, not because it costs money. The point I'm driving across is that they're lazy and they handle things in the lazy way, not that I care. I can't fucking wear it anyway lol

You must be really new here if you've never seen multitudes of threads about people complaining about items on the cash shop costing extra. But W/E, that's neither here nor there.

Finished to what extent? You're saying its unfinished? What would it look like if it was finished?

Like making sure they have enough wards to accomodate a growing player base and ensuring people couldn't abuse the system to buy multiple houses.

[EriShvakh]

Like making sure they have enough wards to accomodate a growing player base

We already hit that point right now. On your spriggan new wards are half empty. Even in a desirable location like Mists there are large and medium FC houses that remain empty not to mention dozens of small houses available to regular players. It's the same on older, more active servers like Loui or Ragnarok.

[Brynne]

I think instanced housing is a good suggestion, and probably the only thing that would allow supply to meet demand for personal housing. As to what they could look like, well, they already have apartments - why not expand them to include an outdoor balcony, and allow players to upgrade for an appropriate gil fee to a small house interior, a medium house interior, or a large house interior? Those interiors already exist in the game, so the balcony is the only new piece they'd have to build from scratch. I feel like such a system would satisfy a lot of people, and you could have it alongside the existing wards, as it already is.

To counter shell fcs taking up multiple plots, why not put access to workshops somewhere outside of housing? For example, a door at Cid's workshop that can be unlocked with the gil cost of a small house + workshop.

I've seen both of these things suggested multiple times, but we still don't have an explanation for if/why they wouldn't work. I'm really curious to know what stops them from implementing things like this.

[Corvus_V]

Again, define "instanced houses". How is getting rid of Apartments (never mind all the people that have those and like those that you're screwing over)

Defined, also you're the one who insists it's necessary to screw someone over, not me. Actually, people are already getting screwed over, and you're arguing that it's fine and that there's no other way.

Holy shoving words into people's mouths, Batman!

You're a character. It's like you forgot who you were 2 days ago or something.

...which would cost those oddles and oddles of money"

I didn't say it wouldn't cost anything. So you're wrong before you even make it like halfway through the paragraph. I said they can afford it, especially because they cut corners already elsewhere (not out of necessity, because they can afford it); I also said it's worth doing in spite of whatever it'd likely cost them especially given the player grief.

Considering in this very discussion someone is complaining - ABOUT THEIR LARGE I'm going to have to ask you for your source that you know people wouldn't be upset and would accept that solution...?

I know I would be happy with that.

Here's one.

No, that's what you're doing.

This and the below contradict. Literally back to back. Which one of you am I talking to today again?

You're right. I don't. But it's reasonable to suspect, given they haven't done it, that they have good reason not to.

What I'm also right about is how little they add back into the game. Which feeds back into the argument that it's also reasonable to suspect that they haven't done it simply because they don't care about player grief, they'll barely even do something easy to make a ton of money off of players who want mogstation items. Even when they do, sometimes they do it in the most "cost-effective" way possible (i.e shitty), which is to say: less than a hobbyist could do for free.

So would I, but not for housing. Housing is still a niche activity like PvP. The stuff the majority of the playerbase does are dungeons and glamour, not housing and PvP-

This is like a 3 part joke where you find out that people don't participate in it because they can't, and that people actually didn't care about PvP at all before CC because it was basically just win-trading. Also that the money that they dont spend on any of that shit they also aren't putting into the shit you want it to go into or that you think it will. Housing has been around since HW, and every expansion has come up with less, even the ones that had a net 0 effect on housing.

[HQuest]

There is not really a right answer to the housing system. The placard was horrendous. The lottery gets abused. Instanced houses makes it no different from your semi-deserted island called “sanctuary”. Having unlimited houses and giving them away to anyone that walks in and pays for one isn’t the solution either, although it would make pointless for those abusing the system and collecting entire wards just because.

Increasing the amount of houses one can bid, similar to the three weekly Cacpot tickets, could improve perception, in a sense, of one’s chances of success.

However exploitation is still here. It will always allows abuse by players paying multiple subscriptions and reselling the FC to whoever is willing to pay 10-1000x more than the actual plot value, then selling the gil for real money and cashing out to cover his/her expenses with the extra subscriptions. And to that, nothing much can be done: it is still a paying subscriber, regardless of where the payment comes from - including from the same bank account.

And if they truly, really, deeply want to fix this housing problem, then they have to go a much deeper rabbit hole: ask for valid government ID during account creation, so they can ensure multiple subscriptions from the very same person isn't allowed to buy more than one house in that realm. Which they never would pursue it: first, for legal reasons; second, for data security reasons; third, it would impact their revenue.

IMHO SqE has to first learn how to make the game dynamic, removing the loading when moving from zone A to B in an adjacent region, before they can tackle a more dynamic housing area with many more plots per ward, able to scale with how many houses are being demanded from players. Then the plot limits could be reviewed and more zones added into that ward, able to expand how many plots are available and therefore how many more houses are available.

That, and players learning not everything solves with the swipe of a plastic thing, and patience is a virtue.

And yes, I lost the lottery for the plots I bid on. Both personal and for the FC I’m in.