Ungendered sit poses, please?

[Bunnycake]

And? Is there supposed to be some kind of a point you're trying to make? I stated an opinion in my initial post. Nothing more. You don't see me or anyone else starting threads complaining about these NPCs, marriages in game between same sex couples, or any of the other virtue signaling that the game is filled with. If something in the game bothered me so much that I start talking nonsense like it affects the sake of my comfort and ruins my enjoyment, I would just unsub.


And it would be ridiculous if you did. That's not what I'm saying though. There are still masculine, and feminine mannerisms. "Masculine" meaning associated with the male sex, and "Feminine" being associated with the female sex. When a female does, says, or acts in a way that is behavior typically associated with a man, it is considered masculine. If a man sits with his legs crossed, and folds his fingers over his knee, this is considered being effeminate because females are known to sit that way, not men. The masculine way for a man to sit is to place the ankle of one leg on the knee of his other leg in a 'figure-4' manner'. Then there's the manspreading, which has taken on that name for a reason. A female sitting like this does not make her a man. But in my view, it does make her disgusting.

Such a shame I have to spell this out. Sad, really. I'm not even sure most of you even know what feminine and masculine even is. All evidence to the contrary.

Anywho, carry on folks.

Omg, it's just pixels. You're not freakin forced to use male sit positions lol

[Bladedance87]

A brief summary of this thread\\\\'s history:

OP: "I would like the 4 new sit poses to be available for everybody "

"Gross! My female Hyur manspreading!"

OP: "We wouldn\\\\'t be losing existing choices, just expanding on what we already have. We can add a toggle or--"

"Not everything needs to be neutral! Races and genders should be distinct!"

OP: "I just asked for sit poses that are already universal."

"Viera already have nothing and now you want our hair, ears, emotes, laugh, walk cycle, etc."

"No, I want the 4 new sit poses everybody has anyway."

"Why should I play Viera when it\\\\'s the inferior option?"

OP: "..."

(somewhere in the distance out of nowhere)

"Men in dresses are an ugly eyesore ruining my bubble pink catgirl\\\\'s immersion. You make everything about politics!"

This is why i love reading this forum. Better than many drama shows hahaha

[HollowedDoll]

I'm guessing you missed the entire zone of nonbinary Fae folk who go by they/them, the Steppe Xaela Au Ra lore about gender, the new female NPC who uses male emotes and weapon poses and, well, the list of a hundred glamours that are no longer gender exclusive including dresses, high heels and bathing suits. I think you're a bit late on cancelling your sub, lmao.

My brother in christ, they're literally fantasy beings made from souls of dead children, stop trying to equate to that to the narcissism of "nonbinary" and "going by x/y pronouns"

Dotharl simply don't care whether the person they are told to copycat was male or female, whether there is any truth in reincarnation of the soul or whatnot is left up to interpretation

Yeah it's almost as if Zero doing the princess strut wouldn't really fit her edgy personality

[PyurBlue]

Because the developers intend each race/gender to be portrayed as a certain way and that's the main draw for people pick those races/genders.

This is based on what? I've seen more people complain about the limitations and being driven to fantasia than anything else.

A small outlier of people wanting their character to go against those norms isn't justification enough to open up all emotes to everyone.

You do realize the forums makes up a tiny percentage of the player base right?

That means you have no idea how many people want to have poses unlocked because you're dealing with a small sample size.

Informally, I've heard many more players speak against limitations inside the game itself. Perhaps the small outlier group is the one that is for the status quo.

[WP1990]

"SE knows better"
I remember when people said that about WoW and then 9.1.5. dropped, lol.

I'm genuinely curious about the patch you're referring to since I quit WoW during cataclysm.

[Padudu]

You do realize the forums makes up a tiny percentage of the player base right?

You do realize people post about this game outside the forum right? People on Twitter/Reddit literally ask for things like this all the time.

Better yet, if you want to do a deep dive, there are forbidden sites that have gender swapped idles/sits/poses. I welcome you to check out the number of downloads and views those have.

Seein as those characters are both male I guess that answers your question for you

Also, I asked the question towards you: is crossing your legs or squatting masculine or feminine? It doesn't answer my question when my question is asking for your opinion, silly.

[DRHaymaker]

You do realize people post about this game outside the forum right? People on Twitter/Reddit literally ask for things like this all the time.

I'm sure they're just as insufferable.

Better yet, if you want to do a deep dive, there are forbidden sites that have gender swapped idles/sits/poses. I welcome you to check out the number of downloads and views those have.

Sounds like the problem is already solved then. If the argument is then "I don't want to break the ToS to get what I want", then it seems like a tad hypocritical to selectively choose which of CBU3's design choices to respect. Not that I believe for a second people ONLY have swap one thing.

If the argument is "what about people who play on consoles?", simply put, I have a hard time believing there's a lot of people who play on consoles who are sitting around using a (virtual) keyboard. That's just not what people game on consoles do.

Also, I asked the question towards you: is crossing your legs or squatting masculine or feminine? It doesn't answer my question when my question is asking for your opinion, silly.

Not accepting the answer doesn't mean an answer wasn't given.

[Padudu]

I'm sure they're just as insufferable.

Yeah they are, probably even more so tbh.

Sounds like the problem is already solved then. If the argument is then "I don't want to break the ToS to get what I want", then it seems like a tad hypocritical to selectively choose which of CBU3's design choices to respect. Not that I believe for a second people ONLY have swap one thing.

If the argument is "what about people who play on consoles?", simply put, I have a hard time believing there's a lot of people who play on consoles who are sitting around using a (virtual) keyboard. That's just not what people game on consoles do.

Uh, the problem isn't solved if the problem is being solved through mods lmao. I like the mental gymnastics you're having to exercise to like, you know, not have ungendered sits/idles/whatever be in the base game.

Not wanting to use mods, or being on a console are still valid excuses bro. People RP on consoles. People raid on consoles. People play the game like you'd normally expect them to on consoles lmao. Not wanting to use mods as they are in the end, still a 3rd party source, is also valid. Wanting SE to make characters more customizable is also, again valid. This is an anime game where we are literally allowed to tank bosses in swimsuits and panties, so why not tbh.

edit: as a fun fact, SE is more than well aware of these mods and have started to implement their own versions to decrease mod usage.. You know, like the waymarks, checking to see if you already had a minion/mount/scroll/ect...

edit 2: also wait what, you think people use a virtual keyboard for XIV??? Bro you know on PS4 they can actually just.. plug in a usb keyboard right?? Do you think console players have been using the virtual keyboard every time? lmao

Not accepting the answer doesn't mean an answer wasn't given.

I'd believe this but yeah nah they didn't answer. Saying "well look at males in those pics" to "Do you think sitting crossed legged or squatting is a masculine or feminine thing?" is pretty much a deflection at best, and straight up ignorance at worst lol.

[DRHaymaker]

Uh, the problem isn't solved if the problem is being solved through mods lmao. I like the mental gymnastics you're having to exercise to like, you know, not have ungendered sits/idles/whatever be in the base game.

Uh, it's not much of a problem to begin with. Also, you literally just agreed that both the people here and on other websites are insufferable. Did you think calling them insufferable made pro-ungendered sitting people here more reasonable?

Not wanting to use mods, or being on a console are still valid excuses bro.

Then do it. No one is forcing you to use them. If your inability to use all sitting positions is your biggest problem with the game to the point it prevents you from RPing, then you're not RPing, you're self-inserting.

People RP on consoles. People raid on consoles. People play the game like you'd normally expect them to on consoles lmao

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People RP on consoles nowhere near the same degree that people raid on consoles. One is clearly gameplay focused, and the main meat of the game, the other is comparatively niche.

edit: as a fun fact, SE is more than well aware of these mods and have started to implement their own versions to decrease mod usage.. You know, like the waymarks, checking to see if you already had a minion/mount/scroll/ect...

Yes... these are gameplay, QoL mods. How you sit isn't a QoL, nor is it gameplay.

edit 2: also wait what, you think people use a virtual keyboard for XIV??? Bro you know on PS4 they can actually just.. plug in a usb keyboard right?? Do you think console players have been using the virtual keyboard every time? lmao

See... when people use () for words or even letters, that means you don't have to include it in the sentence, like (fe)male or, in my case, (virtual) keyboard. Yes, I am FULLY aware that people can use keyboards on consoles - people used to do that on the PS2. It's called being complete.

Wanting SE to make characters more customizable is also, again valid.

No, it's not, not always, because there's absolutely no way to please absolutely everyone, and people do not just stick with one option. How you sit isn't even a customization of your character. It's not like you can change how far your legs spread out, shift the weight on the heels of your feet, change which side of your hip you lean on... it's a pose, where you have absolutely no say in how it looks.

This is an anime game where we are literally allowed to tank bosses in swimsuits and panties, so why not

And it still looks dumb. But that's a terrible argument anyways, and can be literally be used for any thing. "But there's THIS thing that seems absurd, so THIS thing should be allowed because it's not absurd!".

It's a slippery slope, and it exists.

I'd believe this but yeah nah they didn't answer. Saying...

They're not beholden to answer you in a hand-holdy way.

[Padudu]

Uh, it's not much of a problem to begin with. Also, you literally just agreed that both the people here and on other websites are insufferable. Did you think calling them insufferable made pro-ungendered sitting people here more reasonable?

I mean.. then why not ask SE to allow ungendered sits so people don't feel compelled to break the ToS if it's not a problem? Better yet, why are you against females sitting criss-cross-applesauce, my dude?

I think most people complain that the forums/twitter/reddit is insufferable to an omega degree, but people can still recognize and concede that sometimes good topics/points are made on all platforms.

No one is forcing you to not use the ungendered sits either btw, yet here you are arguing like it's a bad thing to include lel.
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People RP on consoles nowhere near the same degree that people raid on consoles..

You'd be surprised that there's a generous amount of overlap between people who RP and people who raid. These aren't mutually exclusive activities, you know.

Yes... these are gameplay, QoL mods. How you sit isn't a QoL, nor is it gameplay.

That's pretty subjective for you to say.

See... when people use () for words or even letters...

You sure don't act like you're fully aware when you try to bring up a weak point of "console players don't just sit around using keyboards" lol.

No, it's not, not always, because there's absolutely no way to please absolutely everyone, and people do not just stick with one option. How you sit isn't even a customization of your character.

Sure, there's no definite ways to please everyone. But they are still trying to make the game customizable as possible, otherwise we wouldn't have old, undyable sets, retextured High Allagan/Crystal tower sets, older dyable sets that we got recently, and ungendered items. So I fail to see your point here. How you sit/idle/ect IS a way to customize your character believe it or not. Especially when you have choices lmao. Some people prefer to do the crossed arms. Some people prefer hand on hip. You choose an idle/pose based on what fits you yourself, or what you envision your character. That is called customization.

It's a slippery slope, and it exists.

You'd know all about slippery slopes, huh?

They're not beholden to answer you in a hand-holdy way.

You think in black and white and I will politely, but firmly start asking you to at least think in CMYK when you know doggone well they didn't answer anything at all lmao.