Ungendered sit poses, please?

[DRHaymaker]

Idk, like you and the other person amounted to earlier: suck it up

"Acceptance! At long last!"

It's not about making things better, it's about you, and no one else.

What if people don't want 2B dresses?

When there's a feature that'll automatically swap what you wear while you're idol, including things not on your plates, then you can start making comparisons... not that I expect you to be able to accurately compare things since you're 0/2 already.

Even then, again, it's literally sitting. If it's not a big deal, and it's no-skin-off-the-bones

Again, you're making up something no one said.

So are those idles I keep mentioning really gonna break your immersion or make you unsub lmao?

Same arguments over and over - it's all about "feelings", and if it's not a strong feeling that causes someone to unsub, then it's not worth considering? Not that you'd respect it regardless - you're ironically ask for a logical argument to back it up, and not be happy with the same "Cause I feel this way" that you are for your arguments.

There's Miqo'te female NPCs squatting in Limsa tho.

Yes, and what are they wearing? Is it the 2B outfit? Or is it something a pirate would wear? Additionally, do you think they had to change anything about the equipment or model so make sure it didn't clip? Also, really letting the mask slip arguing for 2B-wearing Lalafell should be allowed to spread legs via squatting or sitting on the ground with legs akimbo.

Right here:

Show me where I say "I don't care how people sit".

[Joven]

ninja edit soz:

The number of users who use forbidden stuff is small yet SE seems determined to phase out the use of mods as much as they can. I wonder why. If it's a no bother number amount of people using mods

Except they aren't targeting those particular mods, only mods in general because of the potential image issues they can cause due to the overtly sexual nature of most of them and that they can give some players an advantage over others. To say they're targeting mods to specifically to stop this from happening is disengenous.

or even add in raiding features? They're only catering to the small % of people who utilize these features, yet they make it available to everyone, including console players.

You tell me why a game focused on raiding dungeons would add more dungeons to raid.

Rambling Gobbledegook

Seeing as you cut out what it is I said I have no idea how to respond to this as I have no frame of reference as to what it is in response to. That being said, a company will alway try to err on the side of what it thinks the majority is in order to maximize profits. It doesn't matter if the minority is "right" and the majority is "wrong" though to frame it in that dynamic is misleading and dishonest because them adding this feature is not "right" and them not adding it is not "wrong" and vice versa. You're also under the false pretense that I am completely against this. This is not true. While I am against the idea of giving every race/gender every other race/gender's emotes and would prefer each to have their own, different emotes, I am largely indifferent to the idea. That doesn't mean I can't point out why others may be wholey against it.

What, it's true tho. It's not mandatory.

And neither is your imagined gendered stereotypes.

What do wants and expectations have to do with anything? You cannot know anything about what the editor does not show you, which is a lot. Again, the point you're trying to make falls flat.

Because what you want and what you expect are two different things

Being visible doesn't make it useful. If you can find an accurate metric that represents the portion of the community that is interested in unlocked poses, then you might be able to say that it's a niche desire. You can't make up statistics just because you don't have data.

*Looks at forum view count compared to like/reply ratio*, *looks at view/download number for certain content on certain site*, *apparently somehow doesn't have any data and is making things up*. It's still a visible indicator that there is or is not interest in something and isn't just "he said, she said".

[SassyAssassin]

Me reading this thread:
Trying to remember how I normally sit...can’t remember....thinking intensifies......wait........also can’t seem to remember......how do we breathe?????? Oh no /ded.

[Bobby66]

Me reading this thread:
Trying to remember how I normally sit...can’t remember....thinking intensifies......wait........also can’t seem to remember......how do we breathe?????? Oh no /ded.

I did learn something new in this thread, that sitting a certain way has masculine and feminine characteristics, I have always thought people sit in a way that they found comfortable and left it at that. Never really dove into the whole true meaning of the position.

[KageTokage]

I feel like more options for creative expression and allowing you to make your character feel just right is inherently better and never a bad thing.

Race/gender combos being locked into having a specific personality for their emotes is inherently awkward when it at times clashes with the actual personality of the character in question even when it comes to NPCs.

[ZephyrMenodora]

I’m very traditional in my gendered mannerisms and attire for myself and my characters, but all for options for those who’d use them. I actually wondered why some poses that seem neutral are only available to one gender though, like standing with your arms behind your head for catgirls only.

Don’t see the harm in more poses even if I’d never use them myself.

[IkaraGreydancer]

At this point this thread is dumb and has gone nowhere. Again this isn't real life and no game is going to be able to allow you to "express yourself" 100% how you want. I'm honestly glad my enjoyment of a game isn't tied in any way to how well I'm able to express myself. More important things to worry/care about in xiv

[PyurBlue]

Because what you want and what you expect are two different things

At this point, it feels like you're going off on a tangent. Whatever it is that you think I want, and whatever it is that you think I expect don't have any obvious connections to the lack of information present in the character creation process.

a visible indicator that there is or is not interest

If you remember you were called out for stating that one group is small. You had no evidence for this.

The absolute unabashed EGO of you people. This is dripping in narcissism, "The only thing I need to say is I want it, and it's justified enough to make a 'request' - I don't need any other argument ".

A bit of an overreaction isn't it?

What was said is completely correct. You don't need anything other than a desire to make a request. Why would you need anything else?

Now to be fair to you, it seems like from some of your later posts you're arguing that how other people are affected should be taken into account. That's always nice to do, but we're on a forum. If other people have objections, they can voice them. That's more sensible than having the original requester trying to figure out every possible problem that their idea may create.

If you're also referring to the technical side of implementing a new idea, that essentially requires SE to participate in the discussion. Not that it stops people from speculating on their own (and that includes myself). The fact of the matter is, as much as people like to guess that adding X will cause the servers to explode, or adding Y would cost SE 12 trillion dollars and bankrupt them, the average forum goer doesn't know that with much certainty. So rather than putting an impossible hurdle before someone just trying to suggest an improvement, let them speak freely and things can go from there.

At this point this thread is dumb and has gone nowhere. Again this isn't real life and no game is going to be able to allow you to "express yourself" 100% how you want.

Yes how convenient, the thing you're against simply can't happen and because of that no one should try to make obvious improvements either.

I'm honestly glad my enjoyment of a game isn't tied in any way to how well I'm able to express myself. More important things to worry/care about in xiv

It's also convenient that you know the correct way to enjoy video games and how to objectively weight the importance of a recreational activity.

The thread going nowhere is more of a reflection of a desire to have it go nowhere than anything else. For as much as some people want to say the whole thing is a trainwreck, there has at least been some communication between both sides.

For one thing it seems like the rigidity of the cpose list is something that should change. Some people are afraid that if poses are added, they'll have to deal with poses that they don't like. Some people are already in that boat. So I think a helpful suggestion to send to SE would be to work more customization into the cpose list. This would also allow the new sit poses to become universal as the biggest drawback to them, and the drawback that already exists for current poses, would be removed.

The only issue I suppose, is that the group against unlocking anything at all isn't going to happy with any change. I'm not sure how to compromise with them. I can echo what has been said before, that universal poses don't take away from the uniqueness of different characters since things like appearance and lore exist, and just from a realism standpoint, there isn't a sensible way to prevent one character from posing exactly like another. "Giving up" exclusive poses doesn't seem like a concession at all. Yet there is a group that would argue otherwise. So debate on that subject is probably just going to go on and on.

[IkaraGreydancer]

If you remember you were called out for stating that one group is small. You had no evidence for this.


A bit of an overreaction isn't it?

What was said is completely correct. You don't need anything other than a desire to make a request. Why would you need anything else?

Now to be fair to you, it seems like from some of your later posts you're arguing that how other people are affected should be taken into account. That's always nice to do, but we're on a forum. If other people have objections, they can voice them. That's more sensible than having the original requester trying to figure out every possible problem that their idea may create.

If you're also referring to the technical side of implementing a new idea, that essentially requires SE to participate in the discussion. Not that it stops people from speculating on their own (and that includes myself). The fact of the matter is, as much as people like to guess that adding X will cause the servers to explode, or adding Y would cost SE 12 trillion dollars and bankrupt them, the average forum goer doesn't know that with much certainty. So rather than putting an impossible hurdle before someone just trying to suggest an improvement, let them speak freely and things can go from there.


Yes how convenient, the thing you're against simply can't happen and because of that no one should try to make obvious improvements either.


It's also convenient that you know the correct way to enjoy video games and how to objectively weight the importance of a recreational activity.

The thread going nowhere is more of a reflection of a desire to have it go nowhere than anything else. For as much as some people want to say the whole thing is a trainwreck, there has at least been some communication between both sides.

For one thing it seems like the rigidity of the cpose list is something that should change. Some people are afraid that if poses are added, they'll have to deal with poses that they don't like. Some people are already in that boat. So I think a helpful suggestion to send to SE would be to work more customization into the cpose list. This would also allow the new sit poses to become universal as the biggest drawback to them, and the drawback that already exists for current poses, would be removed.

The only issue I suppose, is that the group against unlocking anything at all isn't going to happy with any change. I'm not sure how to compromise with them. I can echo what has been said before, that universal poses don't take away from the uniqueness of different characters since things like appearance and lore exist, and just from a realism standpoint, there isn't a sensible way to prevent one character from posing exactly like another. "Giving up" exclusive poses doesn't seem like a concession at all. Yet there is a group that would argue otherwise. So debate on that subject is probably just going to go on and on.

The thread HASNT gone anywhere. Anyone with can see this. It is a fact that people will never be able to fully express themselves how they want in any game. Yes indeed that CANT happen. Did I say improvements can't be made? No. Quote where I said that or stop talking plz if you're gonna put words in my mouth.

Next. I know the correct way to enjoy a video for ME. Did you miss the "I'm glad my enjoyment" part there? That part is about me, myself and I. And I've already put forth a compromise, give both genders more exclusive emotes. Give a male a more feminine sit but make it fully theirs. (Ie dont just give them a sit females have). Same for women with a masculine sit. I don't see how this is an issue. It gives more options while also keeping things exclusive

[PyurBlue]

The thread HASNT gone anywhere.

Well, I still feel like I've come out with more information than when I came in.

It is a fact that people will never be able to fully express themselves how they want in any game. Yes indeed that CANT happen.

I think you're a bit overconfident on this. Personally, I feel like FF14 would be in a good spot if it just got rid of arbitrary restrictions. I can deal with limited developer resources meaning we can't have 50,000 emotes, but having 20 good emotes and being locked out of 15 of them because "those are for guys" or something just feels dumb.

Did I say improvements can't be made? No. Quote where I said that or stop talking plz if you're gonna put words in my mouth.

You said the tread was dumb, you mentioned that FF14 isn't real life, and you mentioned that being 100% satisfied with expression is impossible. From what I recall, only you've mentioned anything about 100% satisfaction. I brought up the immersion factor of locked emotes by stating in real life anyone could make any pose they wanted, but apparently since this isn't real life that point is completely invalid? The majority of the thread is just suggesting improvements, at least in those posts made by people wanting to see some kind of change, so I don't think it's a stretch to interpret your comment as being against seeking improvements, at least in the context of this thread.

But if you're saying that I'm wrong, then fine, I read too much into it.

Next. I know the correct way to enjoy a video for ME. Did you miss the "I'm glad my enjoyment" part there? That part is about me, myself and I. And I've already put forth a compromise, give both genders more exclusive emotes. Give a male a more feminine sit but make it fully theirs. (Ie dont just give them a sit females have). Same for women with a masculine sit. I don't see how this is an issue. It gives more options while also keeping things exclusive

You also mentioned that there are more important things to worry about. Now this could have also been in reference to your personal feelings, but then why even state it? What important is always going to be subjective.

As for your suggested compromise, I touched on the problem with it earlier. It's simply inefficient. The devs will make 50 emotes, but then any character will only get 5 of them, and the player doesn't get a say in which 5. They could all be awful. It's very similar to the issue that people have brought up with auto cpose. The less control we have, the more likely it is we'll have to deal with something that we don't like. If the devs made 50 unrestricted emotes, then there is no problem. Any player can pick the best ones for their character.