Ungendered sit poses, please?

[Bobby66]

Did not mean to pose a loaded question, I just was seeking clarification. It largely seems preference is thr largest motivator. So if that is the case would the suggestion of a favorite pose selection be a good enough middle ground? Both sides get to express their preferences.

[Joven]

When I'm reading posts I usually assume that sections where I'm quoted are for me and sections where others are quoted aren't. I may not have read everything you meant for me if it was under other people's quotes.

Anyway, on the subject of mod counts, you're comparing downloads to 25 million players. What exactly does that tell us? Not everyone uses mods, not everyone plays the same way. Of those 25 million, how many are English speaking, since it was an English site that the mods came from right? I don't think JP and European users would search for the same downloads as US players. I myself want unlocked emotes, but I have zero mods for such a thing. So is the download count accurate, or is underrepresentative of the demand? Lastly I'm pretty sure all of this was brought up after you said the pro unlock side was small. So again, when you said that, there was no supporting evidence.

That person is really stuck on the fact that I pulled up mod downloads huh lol. The number of downloads ultimately isn't important. What is important is that you can't just say "oh the number of people who want unlocked poses is small, the forum is small!" while simultaneously rejecting the fact that outside the forum, people who mod or have access to them, download gendered poses themselves. You can't just put blinders on bcos it doesn't support your narrative lmao. My whole point is that there is, indeed a number of players who might not vocalize the want for it, but they will search for means to get it. Those people still matter.

Anyways, at least me throwing a tangible number, however small is better than sticking to "it's a small amount of people, trust me" and shading a potential possibility that it may not be as small as they want it to be.

Modding is a small subset of players. On that site the highest viewed mod was only at 664+k. If I were to be generous and say the the actual amout of people who use mods were 5 times higher than that it would still only be around 13% of the total playerbase. Seeing as those searching for this particular mod is only 4% of that original number, not taking into consideration the view/download count could be resgistering multiple views/downloads from the same people, then it's safe to assume that across the entire modding community the amount of people looking for this particular mod is going to be largely insignificant to the total number of people who play.

Nobody ever doubted there would be interest in this, but to actively dismiss the numbers you yourself brought up because they don't paint the picture you wanted is disingenous.

[Jybril]

It's very clear from the length that people do care. Even then, wanting something doesn't mean you have a more justifiable reason to have it. Like I said, it's a slippery slope, and ungendered clothing was the predecessor to this, and before that, as was brought up, it was "but people can wear casual clothes while fighting big giant monsters!"

Again, be thankful for what you DO have.

ITT: Grown men and women are losing their marbles and have a mental breakdown because other grown men and women want to sit a certain way in a video game.
More at 11!



Yikes. How do people function in daily life.

[Padudu]

So then there's no point in bringing it up. You don't get to arbitrarily get to decide what information can and can't be gleaned from it.



That's not contradictory in any way. You're literally saying here that "The fact that there ARE people who mod is an argument enough to include it" as if the actual # doesn't matter. It does.

Lmao bro I would have never brought it up as a point to begin with had they not insisted that only a small number of people want ungendered poses/idles/whatever and then insist on it being a fact. Me, you, them, and everyone else in this thread cannot say for an objective fact that it's "only a small number of people" my dude. I'm not sure why you can't grasp this concept. So it's either ALL significant or none of it is. But don't sit here and pretend like "small number of people" is a true statement lmao. Let me remind me of the point of where this all started:

You do realize the forums makes up a tiny percentage of the player base right?

Modding is a small subset of players. On that site the highest viewed mod was only at 664+k. If I were to be generous and say the the actual amout of people who use mods were 5 times higher than that it would still only be around 13% of the total playerbase. Seeing as those searching for this particular mod is only 4% of that original number, not taking into consideration the view/download count could be resgistering multiple views/downloads from the same people, then it's safe to assume that across the entire modding community the amount of people looking for this particular mod is going to be largely insignificant to the total number of people who play.

Nobody ever doubted there would be interest in this, but to actively dismiss the numbers you yourself brought up because they don't paint the picture you wanted is disingenous.

The picture your painting is also incorrect and false btw. Let me know when you have actual numbers to claim it's a "small number". Also, please consider the fact that the site is like.. not an end all, be all modding website, there are multiple - discords upon discords, ect ect ect.

No one is saying there isn't an interest. What I am contending is your insistent need to say that it is, without a doubt, a small number of people. Which is like I said before, you and I cannot know that lmao.

[Joven]

The picture your painting is also incorrect and false btw. Let me know when you have actual numbers to claim it's a "small number". Also, please consider the fact that the site is like.. not an end all, be all modding website, there are multiple - discords upon discords, ect ect ect.

No one is saying there isn't an interest. What I am contending is your insistent need to say that it is, without a doubt, a small number of people. Which is like I said before, you and I cannot know that lmao.

Ok, out of those "Discords upon Discords" of modders, how many of them care about this particular mod? How many are "Discords upon Discords" in general? You want to disregard what I say when I say a "small number of people", yet continue to throw out vague statements to try and prove the contrary.

ITT: Grown men and women are losing their marbles and have a mental breakdown because other grown men and women want to sit a certain way in a video game.
More at 11!



Yikes. How do people function in daily life.

Well you seem to be having a mental break down over people posting on a forum about a video game so how do you function in daily life?

[Padudu]

Ok, out of those "Discords upon Discords" of modders, how many of them care about this particular mod? How many are "Discords upon Discords" in general? You want to disregard what I say when I say a "small number of people", yet continue to throw out vague statements to try and prove the contrary.

You are also just saying vague statements LMAO. I gave you a website where obviously there's some demands for it, you reject it. How about you show me where (outside this forum) people reject ungendered sits bro? Why do I have to prove everything to you when you know damn well you're putting fingers in your ears and going "BUUUUT ITS ACTUALLY A SMALL SUBSET OF PLAYERS!" Like cmon dude.

[IkaraGreydancer]

jesus christ, a bunch of grown adults throwing tantrums over a small request for a handful of extra idle poses because "muh transgender sjws are coming to take our traditional gender roles away!!!"

thanks for proving once again that these forums are just a congregation of the most miserable people in this game's playerbase. fully gendered idle poses are an extremely bizarre hill to die on as some supposed last bastion of true masculinity/femininity, but i'm glad you're dead nonetheless

Don't think I've seen anyone die on that hill, just make strong opinions on it. If the forums are indeed a congregation for miserable people that would include yourself in that equation. Odd thing to say really especially when the general forums are only part of this site. Ragging on people who prefer traditional masculinity and femininity doesn't sound all that inclusive to me.

[Joven]

You are also just saying vague statements LMAO. I gave you a website where obviously there's some demands for it, you reject it. How about you show me where (outside this forum) people reject ungendered sits bro? Why do I have to prove everything to you when you know damn well you're putting fingers in your ears and going "BUUUUT ITS ACTUALLY A SMALL SUBSET OF PLAYERS!" Like cmon dude.

How did I reject the website you brought up as a way to say there's some demand for it? I used that site to prove that even though there IS some demand for it, it seems to be rather low. That's not rejecting the fact that there's a demand at all.

[Padudu]

How did I reject the website you brought up as a way to say there's some demand for it? I used that site to prove that even though there IS some demand for it, it seems to be rather low. That's not rejecting the fact that there's a demand.

Bro you saying that the demand is rather low for it is because you took a cursory glance at the "most downloaded" page, looked at the first mod, then called it a day. I gave you a couple mods of the relevant thing that we're talking about, I'm not going to hand hold you and find every single mod out there that swaps poses so to appease you lmao. If there's mods for it, and there are over a thousand downloads for it, do you not consider the fact the demand doesn't stop there? Do you think it just ends up players modding the game and calling it a day? No? So then why assume that it's small? I gave the site as a baseline to start off from where it's *not* just only the players on the forum wanting ungendered sits. You can see outside the website that there is a demand for it, even if it's not vocalized.

The rejection just comes from you tunnel visioning on the numbers because otherwise you don't really have a point lmao.

[Joven]

Bro you saying that the demand is rather low for it is because you took a cursory glance at the "most downloaded" page, looked at the first mod, then called it a day. I gave you a couple mods of the relevant thing that we're talking about, I'm not going to hand hold you and find every single mod out there that swaps poses so to appease you lmao. If there's mods for it, and there are over a thousand downloads for it, do you not consider the fact the demand doesn't stop there? Do you think it just ends up players modding the game and calling it a day? No? So then why assume that it's small? I gave the site as a baseline to start off from where it's *not* just only the players on the forum wanting ungendered sits. You can see outside the website that there is a demand for it, even if it's not vocalized.

The rejection just comes from you tunnel visioning on the numbers because otherwise you don't really have a point lmao.

The reason I looked at the "most viewed" (not most downloaded) is because it gives an insight to how many people visit that site and where their interests lie. It establishes a baseline number. If 664k people (the number from the highest viewed mod) looked at one mod then it shows that at least 664k people are using mods. Of those 664k modders you've now established exist, 30k or so show an interest in a particular mod. That establishes a percentage. 30k viewers of that one mod is 4.5% of the 664k known modders. If the number of modders is higher than your baseline and the number of views on that one particular mod remains the same then its over all percentage value decreases.

Nobody said anywhere that there isn't going to be demand from outside the forums either.