Kinda lost on crafting and not sure what to do.

[Ardeth]

I would like to be able to craft better gear. I leveled the crafters to get better gear. But currently at item level 577 I can't really craft much in terms of better gear. And I'm honestly not sure what to do. I've tried looking up sites and guides, but they don't really seem helpful. Everyone has the best gear telling me I can do it with x gear and I still can't. I've tried Reddit, but everyone thinks I'm lying or something. I was hoping since this is the official forums maybe there's something someone can tell me. I'm clearly missing some important piece of the puzzle. I'm clearly not understanding crafting it seems. Even at level 90 I can barely craft anything. It just feels awful and I want to pull myself out of this rut.

[Caimie_Tsukino]

I would like to be able to craft better gear. I leveled the crafters to get better gear. But currently at item level 577 I can't really craft much in terms of better gear. And I'm honestly not sure what to do. I've tried looking up sites and guides, but they don't really seem helpful. Everyone has the best gear telling me I can do it with x gear and I still can't. I've tried Reddit, but everyone thinks I'm lying or something. I was hoping since this is the official forums maybe there's something someone can tell me. I'm clearly missing some important piece of the puzzle. I'm clearly not understanding crafting it seems. Even at level 90 I can barely craft anything. It just feels awful and I want to pull myself out of this rut.

I can help with this. Would you please tell me in details:
(1) Your 3 stats: Craft/Control/GP, and the food/medicine that you use when you craft.
(2) The item(s) that you have trouble with to craft (Were they the new i620 Indagator's gear? Or the i590 Pactmakers's gear from earlier patches?)
(2) Your rotation that you used to craft - I can help with adjusting it according to your stats. And if I cannot, I can point to you how to fix your stats.

[Ardeth]

I can help with this. Would you please tell me in details:
(1) Your 3 stats: Craft/Control/GP, and the food/medicine that you use when you craft.
(2) The item(s) that you have trouble with to craft (Were they the new i620 Indagator's gear? Or the i590 Pactmakers's gear from earlier patches?)
(2) Your rotation that you used to craft - I can help with adjusting it according to your stats. And if I cannot, I can point to you how to fix your stats.

1-Craftsmanship-3477/Control-3204 not sure what GP is. Like gathering points? Or did you mean CP? My CP 501. I never use anything to craft. I just craft.
2-Pretty much anything above 90.
3-I honestly don't really have one. I try to get the quality to 100 and then the durability to 100. I've never used a macro. I normally can make like leve stuff high quality.

Sorry like I said for whatever reason when I ask people about crafting advice they tend to turn their noses up at me. Like I offended them or something. I'm just trying to actually use my crafters.

[Tiramu]

I think it would be helpful if you posted your entire crafter loadout and your crafting rotations. The best crafting recipes in the game are going to need something like HQ Pactmaker gear that has been pentamelded with a HQ loadout to HQ those recipes.

Also, if you've been macro crafting (or crafting in a routine thats similar to macros), this is where that can come to bite you in the butt. An understanding of the crafting system, how to increase quality efficiently and handle RNG changes goes a hell of a long way.

I know you've said that you've never used a macro. But, that you couldn't answer Caimie's question (which is super important for crafting HQ endgame stuff) with any detail might indicate that your problem could be that you just don't understand how crafting works properly and maybe need to read up on how the crafting skills work. Maybe even create an Alt and try crafting lower level recipes at HQ which are higher level than you to practice the fundamentals.

[Ardeth]

I think it would be helpful if you posted your entire crafter loadout and your crafting rotations. The best crafting recipes in the game are going to need something like HQ Pactmaker gear that has been pentamelded to HQ those recipes. Also, if you've been macro crafting (or crafting in a routine thats similar to macros), this is where that can come to bite you in the butt. An understanding of the crafting system, how to increase quality efficiently and handle RNG changes goes a hell of a long way.

I'm in pretty much a full set of the purple scrip level 90 gear. Perfectionist I think is what it's called. I'm not sure what pentamelded is but penta is 5 so 5 materia? I've never really messed with mareria. I don't use macros. Sorry I'm still really confused when it comes to crafting. I have everything but like 4 classes at 90, but I feel like I have everything at level 1.

[Caimie_Tsukino]

1-Craftsmanship-3477/Control-3204 not sure what GP is. Like gathering points? Or did you mean CP? My CP 501. I never use anything to craft. I just craft.
2-Pretty much anything above 90.
3-I honestly don't really have one. I try to get the quality to 100 and then the durability to 100. I've never used a macro. I normally can make like leve stuff high quality.

Sorry like I said for whatever reason when I ask people about crafting advice they tend to turn their noses up at me. Like I offended them or something. I'm just trying to actually use my crafters.

Sorry, I meant "CP". I was on the DoL forums just before I came here and saw your post, so my finger automatically went to GP (Gathering Points) instead! CP is "Crafting Points".

Well, it all makes sense now... You have sufficient stats to craft at least Endwalker 2-star recipes, but when I was doing my 2-star recipes, I had >650 CP (after food + medicine).

Apparently, perhaps you're one of the newer level 90 crafters who doesn't know the priorities of the 3 stats yet?
Please remember the "Golden Rule of Crafting" is that "CP>Control>Craftsmanship".
CP is actually the most important stats to max out on. So if any gear/tool have a melding cap of higher than 2 CP, you want to make sure to max them out as much as possible (if the gear has only a melding cap of 1 CP, then probably can ignore).

The food and med I used were:
Tsai tou Vounou HQ (CP+26%, Max 78; Control+25%, Max 76)
Cunning Craftsman's Syrup HQ (CP+6%, Max 16)

As you can see, both focused on pushing CP.

So back in the earlier patches of EW, when I was crafting 2-star recipes, my pre-food CP stats would have been over 650-78-16 = 556 CP, which is at least 55 CP higher than yours.

With your current low level of CP, it is very difficult to craft anything HQ at all above level 90. For instance, if you're almost 60 CP below mine, you will have to rely on 3 extra Tricks of the Trade to have sufficient CP to perform a rotation that I did.

For 70 durab items, you can always just use more HQ mats to help. But that would mean you need to HQ the 35 durab items first.

My 35 durab item rotation back in the old days was:

/ac "Reflect" <wait.3>
/ac "Manipulation" <wait.2>
/ac "Veneration" <wait.2>
/ac "Waste Not" <wait.2>
/ac "Preparatory Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Groundwork" <wait.3>
/ac "Groundwork" <wait.3>
/ac "Final Appraisal" <wait.3>
/ac "Groundwork" <wait.3>
/ac "Innovation" <wait.2>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Manipulation" <wait.2>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>

/ac "Innovation" <wait.2>
/ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Standard Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Advanced Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
/ac "Tricks of the Trade" <wait.3>
/ac "Innovation" <wait.2>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
/ac "Basic Synthesis"
/echo EW 2* 35dur #2 631cp Complete! <se.6>

This 2-part macro rotation needs at least 631 CP.
You have 501. So even if you use Tsai tou Vounou HQ and Cunning Craftsman's Syrup HQ, you only have 595 CP.
We now have stronger food and med, so Jhinga Biryani HQ can add 86 CP, and Cunning Craftsman's Draught can add 21 CP. But even with that, your total is only 608...

That would mean you still need to take 2 Tricks of the Trades during the above rotation to execute it.

I think you need to consider removing some materia from your gear, and put in more CP. It's a painful process, but your CP (your most powerful stats) is just way too low right now.

Keep in mind that crafted DoH PANTS and BOOTS have a very high capacity to hold more CP. So if you're to remeld, you should think about pants and boots first. Then think about mainhand and offhand tools, as well as accessories. Hat, Chest piece and Gloves DON'T have much CP that can be added.

I'll tell you a story... Back in Heavensward, I played a little game... I stripped myself naked, and wore only accessories with fully melded CP, and used a level 1 mainhand and level 5 offhand, and I managed to successfully craft a level 50 item HQ (I think I got the quality bar to around 70%?). I think you need to learn to appreciate the power of CP!

I think my comprehensive crafting guide may be of help to you:
http://ffxivrealm.com/guides/ff14-ad...ie-tsukino.39/

Ch7 talks about the Golden Rule of Crafting
Ch9: Crafting Conditions
Ch10: Generating a Crafting Rotation
Ch11: Common Mistakes that Novice Crafters Make
Ch12: Learn to Modify Rotations According to Conditions
Ch13: Macro-crafting

I think the above chapters will help you out greatly to send you to the next "level" of crafting

[Tiramu]

I'm in pretty much a full set of the purple scrip level 90 gear. Perfectionist I think is what it's called. I'm not sure what pentamelded is but penta is 5 so 5 materia? I've never really messed with mareria. I don't use macros. Sorry I'm still really confused when it comes to crafting. I have everything but like 4 classes at 90, but I feel like I have everything at level 1.

I'd add to the post above that this might also be part of your problem.

Depending upon what you're crafting then Perfectionist might not be enough. Perfectionist is fine for casual crafting of some Lv90 recipes if you have Level X materia melded to it and understand crafting well. But the higher tier Lv90 recipes are going to want Pactmakers that are pentamelded with Level X materia. And yes, Pentamelded is where you overmeld your gear and for reference you can't pentameld Perfectionists.

So, I'd recommend getting yourself into some HQ Pactmakers and learn about materia melding - if only so that you understand gearing and have the best gear for endgame recipes. At least then you know whether its you, or your gearing.

This guide might help:
https://www.icy-veins.com/ffxiv/craf...ame-guides-hub

[Ardeth]

Sorry I'm still really confused. What do you mean by durability? Like when you craft and sometimes it's 80 and sometimes it's 40? Sorry I have trouble learning things. I'm trying to keep up, but I'm getting confused.

[ICountFrom0]

Yes, durability is the 80/60/40/30 points of actions that can be done on an item before it breaks.

[Caimie_Tsukino]

Sorry I'm still really confused. What do you mean by durability? Like when you craft and sometimes it's 80 and sometimes it's 40? Sorry I have trouble learning things. I'm trying to keep up, but I'm getting confused.

Just quoting from my guide's Ch7:

Ch7: Craftsmanship, Control, CP, and the Basic Mechanics of Crafting

The 3 Crafting Stats
Crafting is simply: Within a given amount of durability (durab), use "touch" actions to hit 100% on the quality bar & use "synthesis" actions to hit 100% on the progress bar to complete the craft. 100% quality bar will guarantee you an HQ item (high quality), which has better stats than an NQ one (normal quality).

A crafter has 3 kinds of stats: "Craftsmanship" contributes to the strength of your synthesis, "Control" contributes to the strength of your touches, and "CP" (Crafting Points) allows you to perform different crafting actions. The RNG (random number generator) of FF14 is your greatest enemy. You can hit 96% HQ rate, and it can sometimes still give you NQ products more often than you expect. So you should always try your best to hit 100% on the quality bar.

At low levels, Craftsmanship & Control seem more important, because you don't have many actions to utilize anyway. However, soon, the truth will come out:

The Golden Rule of Crafting:
CP > Control > Craftsmanship

...CP is actually the most important stats out of all 3!