Info about obtaining Pure Aqueous Glioaether in Patch 6.3

[Caimie_Tsukino]

First, let's make this clear. So far the only purpose of obtaining the Pure Aqueous Glioaether is just to make the new Small Water Otter Fountain, and so far the fountain has been proven to be a poor seller. I was lucky to have sold 2, but now I can't even get a 3rd one to sell.

The Pure Aqueous Glioaether itself is also a pretty poor seller, currently there's barely any sales.

But in case one would like to farm these to make their own fountain, here's some info.

Eozean Time: 5am to 8am
Place: Elpis (25.4, 10.1, z2.5) [Hungering Gardens, lower level]
Bait: Mayfly (bought with Purple Scrips from Scrip Exchange)

Steps:
- Before 5am, prep by hooking a long ! tug (Dermogenys), and
- Then Surface Slap, Prize Catch, Chum, and use a Hi-Cordial.
- Remember to activate Collect (to acquire collectables).
- Use Carrot Nibbles to boost GATHERING and PERCEPTION as much as you can (need high gathering to reduce fish getting away, and higher perception to increase collectability).

- Cast when it's around 4:56am
- Ignore all !!
- Ignore all ! <10 sec (under Chum) (those are Isleskipper)
- Any ! that is longer than 9 sec is going to be Phyllinos (assuming Dermogenys are slapped)
- After ignoring any tug, Chum will dissipate, so you will have to be repeatedly press "Chum, Cast, (ignore), Chum, Cast, (ignore)..." until you finally catch the Phyllinos.
(Prize Catch and Slap effects will stay until you caught something)

- If you made a mistake and caught something else by accident, you will need to re-apply Prize Catch, Chum, and try to catch (without Slap). Prize Catch is immediately re-applied just in case you catch a Phyllinos directly.
- After that, if you caught a Demogenys, then Slap, and re-apply Prize Catch, Chum, and Cast again.

- Hi-Cordial should be used whenever GP is 400 lower than max value.

! tug:
With Chum:
Isle Skipper: 0-5 sec
Dermogenys: 8-18 sec
Phyllinos: 10-20 sec
Without Chum:
Isle Skipper: 3-10 sec
Dermogenys: 14-20+ sec
Phyllinos: 14-30+ sec

!! tug:
May be Iribainion or Colossoma (longer bite time)
Colossoma sells quite well on market though.

Aetherial Reduction records:
117: haven't had any failure in producing Pure Aqueous Glioaether (1/1)
114: haven't had any failure in producing Pure Aqueous Glioaether (2/2)
113: failed twice so far in producing glioaether from both 2 attempts (0/2)
112: failed once, but succeeded once in producing glioaether (1/2)
111: succeeded... lucky (1/1)
110: failed twice so far in producing glioaether from both 2 attempts (0/2)
Phyllinos of 114 collectability or above seem safe to produce glioaether. Anything below that seems to be risky.

Cast macro with timer I am using:
/micon Cast
/ac Cast <wait.3>
/echo 2 <wait.1>
/echo 3 <wait.1>
/echo 4 <wait.1>
/echo 5 <wait.1>
/echo 6 <wait.1>
/echo 7 <wait.1>
/echo 8 <wait.1>
/echo 9 <wait.1>
/echo 10 <wait.5>
/echo 15 <wait.5>
/echo 20 <wait.10>
/echo 30


- Phyllinos caught! They do get away sometimes. So boosting gathering may help. Meanwhile, we're also struggling to get enough collectability, so boosting Perception may help on that.


- Here I caught one at 117 and one at 110 collectability.


- The one at 117 dropped glioaether.


- The one at 110 did not.

Generally speaking, I can catch about 1 or 2 Phyllinos in a session. And out of the 2 Phyllinos, I can usually squeeze out 1 glioaether. If I get 2, it'd be very lucky.

[DrWho2010]

if they wanted this to sell, it shouldn't have been another water otter fountain. if you can get it for your island imo you don't really need it for a house.

[fulminating]

I was under the impression that if the window opened at 5, start casting at 5:01 because of where the snapshots are?
I’d probably hi cordial a little lower too just so the regeneration isn’t wasted.

[Fruity_Snacks]

There are some inaccuracies with this guide that have been discussed and determined through testing

• I wouldn't slap Demogenys, I would slap Iribainion instead as it's a longer, more common bite. We want to maximize the number of bites we get in the window, so the more common longer bite is recommended to slap compared to shorter more common bites (from say, Isle Skipper). With the shorter bite, it means we'll have to wait less before casting out again (we find out it's not the fish we want quicker, basically).
• You don't need Carrot Nibbles - you just need food to get you to 3,150 gathering. Since you're using Prize Catch, you're guaranteed a large-sized Phyll and a strong chance at the Glioaether. I would recommend food that increases your gathering and GP instead.
• Higher gathering will not increase the chance of a fish to bite, or to stay on the line and not get away. For fish like Phyllinos, Mayashell, and all the Big Fish, the get-away rate is fixed for the fish. Even other common tier fish have a chance to get away regardless of your gathering. Again, higher gather will not increase the chance for a fish to get away or stay on your line.
• Do NOT cast out before 5:00, the fish that will bite is determined when you cast. Casting before 5:00 is a waste and will never be a Phyllinos.
  
  
  

  I was under the impression that if the window opened at 5, start casting at 5:01 because of where the snapshots are?
  I’d probably hi cordial a little lower too just so the regeneration isn’t wasted.
  To Fulminations question - it's usually recommended to cast at 5:01 because the server might take a second to update at 5:00, meaning you lose a cast. 5:01 is after.
• Bite times you offer are off. Demogenys will bite no later than 18s w/o chum, where as the earliest we've seen Phyllinos Bite is ~18-19s. The overlap is extremely rare to non-existent, and definitely not worth slapping Demo for. Demogeys is isolatable from Phyllinos and is generally not an issue when fishing for it. So basically which Chum, you will see the latest Demogenys at 12, and the earliest Phyllinos at 12.5.

Some verifications from our data:
114+ Collectability (or 11.4 ilms or larger Phyllinos) will guarantee a Glioaether, with 113+ being the earliest BONUS recorded, and 110 being the earliest Glioaether chance recorded.

I can offer the guide I wrote for the fishcord a few days ago if you'd like to reference.

[Jojoya]

Thanks for going to all that work, Caimie.

I agree with others that as a housing item it's more of a dead end. The IS fountain was popular because it was one option out of only 5 total. For housing, it's just one option out of a couple hundred. Not many are going to be interested when there are much less expensive and just as attractive options available.

SE seems to be struggling trying to come up with ideas for what role Expert crafting/gathering should have.

I think it might also be time for crafters/gatherers to revisit what rewards we want from Expert now that we've had the system for most of one expansion and part of a second.

[Caimie_Tsukino]

Fruity Snack!!!
Thanks so much for the corrections!
I am such a novice with fishing! So thank you for the help!

[*]I wouldn't slap Demogenys, I would slap Iribainion instead as it's a longer, more common bite. We want to maximize the number of bites we get in the window, so the more common longer bite is recommended to slap compared to shorter more common bites (from say, Isle Skipper). With the shorter bite, it means we'll have to wait less before casting out again (we find out it's not the fish we want quicker, basically).

Ah, I was worried about distinguishing Phyllinos from Demogenys. But I guess if one can accurately distinguish their bite times, then it makes better sense to slap the Iribainion.

[*]You don't need Carrot Nibbles - you just need food to get you to 3,150 gathering. Since you're using Prize Catch, you're guaranteed a large-sized Phyll and a strong chance at the Glioaether. I would recommend food that increases your gathering and GP instead.[*] Higher gathering will not increase the chance of a fish to bite, or to stay on the line and not get away. For fish like Phyllinos, Mayashell, and all the Big Fish, the get-away rate is fixed for the fish. Even other common tier fish have a chance to get away regardless of your gathering. Again, higher gather will not increase the chance for a fish to get away or stay on your line.

Thank you for correcting this! So we only need 3150 gathering to catch it, and more gathering does not help. And higher perception doesn't help with collectability either because of Prize Catch? I've been getting <114 a lot, and there's no way to fix this at all, and I can only rely on luck?

I was under the impression that if the window opened at 5, start casting at 5:01 because of where the snapshots are?

[*]Do NOT cast out before 5:00, the fish that will bite is determined when you cast. Casting before 5:00 is a waste and will never be a Phyllinos.

To Fulminations question - it's usually recommended to cast at 5:01 because the server might take a second to update at 5:00, meaning you lose a cast. 5:01 is after.

Thanks for correcting me on this! I'd start from 5:01 as well then!

I’d probably hi cordial a little lower too just so the regeneration isn’t wasted.

Well, this one depends... sometimes, a little bit earlier would mean another round of Hi-Cordial before the window ends though. But that may be because I made a mistake with catching something else, and I had to blow GP to fix that error.

[*]Bite times you offer are off. Demogenys will bite no later than 18s w/o chum, where as the earliest we've seen Phyllinos Bite is ~18-19s. The overlap is extremely rare to non-existent, and definitely not worth slapping Demo for. Demogeys is isolatable from Phyllinos and is generally not an issue when fishing for it. So basically which Chum, you will see the latest Demogenys at 12, and the earliest Phyllinos at 12.5.

I revised all my screenshots, and indeed, I made one mistake with one of them: I thought one of my screenshots showed a Demo biting after 20 sec, but that was incorrect. It was never later than 20 sec.

Phyllinos can definitely bite between 10-15 sec though when with Chum. And I had another screenshots catching Demogenys between 10-15 sec too, so I was worried that it'd overlap with Demogenys. But perhaps it's due to the silly me forgetting to add Chum that time, and I ended up catching Demo later than I should have.

My macro is also not very good with distinguishing anything longer than 10 sec... Sorry about that.

It'd be good if you would please provide the more accurate bite times. Thanks!

Some verifications from our data:
114+ Collectability (or 11.4 ilms or larger Phyllinos) will guarantee a Glioaether, with 113+ being the earliest BONUS recorded, and 110 being the earliest Glioaether chance recorded.

At least I got this one right! LOL!

I can offer the guide I wrote for the fishcord a few days ago if you'd like to reference.

Yes please! Thank you!

Thanks for going to all that work, Caimie.

I agree with others that as a housing item it's more of a dead end. The IS fountain was popular because it was one option out of only 5 total. For housing, it's just one option out of a couple hundred. Not many are going to be interested when there are much less expensive and just as attractive options available.

SE seems to be struggling trying to come up with ideas for what role Expert crafting/gathering should have.

I think it might also be time for crafters/gatherers to revisit what rewards we want from Expert now that we've had the system for most of one expansion and part of a second.

Merely trying to share info online since I don't use discord, and Facebook posts have a tendency to be pushed away after awhile.
Meanwhile it's great to have the true fishers correcting my misconceptions.

And yes, seems like SE have no better ideas what to use Expert Recipes for at this point... Honestly, why can't they give us MOUNTS for each crafter? Even a re-skin is fine...

Thanks!

[Fruity_Snacks]

...So we only need 3150 gathering to catch it, and more gathering does not help. And higher perception doesn't help with collectability either because of Prize Catch?

Thanks!

No, Mayashell, Phyllinos (as far as we can tell), Big Fish will all have fixed get-away rates. So higher gathering does not help.

Prize catch already guarantees a large-sized Phyllinos regardless of your perception, so additional perception isn't really needed. You'll get a 11.0 ilm+ Phyllinos regardless. If you really want to shoot for a perception threshold, 2650 is what you'll want, but you do NOT need it to get large-sized fish.


The guide I wrote for The Balance and the Fishcord is below (cause it's too big for one post)

[Fruity_Snacks]

Prep
Arrive early (about 1-2 Eorzean hours early) to the The Lower Hungering Gardens. Use your food (if you need to hit 3,150 Gathering), and then use Collector's Glove to get the Collect Status. Collector's Glove is NEEDED TO GET PURE GLIOAETHER(1)

Once that's done, set your bait to Mayfly, cast out and catch an Iribainion(2). Iribainion is a !! bite which can bite between 5 and 22s, but usually between 12-17s.

Once caught, use Surface Slap, Prize Catch (3), and Chum. Once prep work is completed, and you can wait until after 5:01 before casting back out again.

It's recommended to have a macro timer for this fish.

Catching Phyllinos
Once 5:01 passes, you can cast out. Phyllinos is a ! bite and can identified and isolated by its bite time. Reel in any ! bite after ~20s without Chum (or ~14/15s with Chum ) and it will be a Phyllinos. Select YES on the Collection screen to collect it and it to your inventory to be later reduced. Repeat the process as above to catch more Phyllinos until 08:00.

Pure Aqueous Glioaether Collectable Breakpoints
Pure Aqueous Glioaether has been reported to drop as low as 110 Collectability, with the lowest bonus (x2! Glioaether) being reported at 113 collectability. The Glioaether appears to be guaranteed at 114 Collectability or higher.

Reminder that fish collectability is based on the size of the fish caught. It's calculated by [Size of fish in ilms] x 10. So a Phyllinos of 11.4 ilms would be 114 collectability.

Optimizations and Footnotes
(1) If you want, you can arrive REALLY early and get 10 Angler's Art stacks. This is not required, but if you're not confident with your GP management, or feel you may mess up a bit - it can be a nice safety net until you get comfortable. This would be recommended for new fishers or those who are just going for "Prime" fish for the first time.

(2) We recommend slapping Iribainion here because it's a common, longer bite. We want to maximize the number of bites we get in the window, so the more common longer bite is recommended to slap compared to shorter more common bites (from say, Isle Skipper). With the shorter bite, it means we'll have to wait less before casting out again (we find out it's not the fish we want quicker, basically). While TC may say that Colossoma is more common than Iribainion, I believe this is due to Colossoma being an Leve fish and skewing the results.

(3) We use Prize Catch here instead of Patience II for two reasons. First, Prize Catch will override Perception level and still guarantees a large-sized fish (which means, more chance at the Pure Aqueous Glioaether). Secondly, Phyllinos so far appears to be a decently rare bite. With a Proper GP Pool (I'm at 905GP at the time of writing) and consideration towards GP management, you should not have much issues with Prize Catch.

[Caimie_Tsukino]

Catching Phyllinos
Once 5:01 passes, you can cast out. Phyllinos is a ! bite and can identified and isolated by its bite time. Reel in any ! bite after ~20s without Chum (or ~14/15s with Chum ) and it will be a Phyllinos. Select YES on the Collection screen to collect it and it to your inventory to be later reduced. Repeat the process as above to catch more Phyllinos until 08:00.

I tested this today, and indeed 15+ sec under Chum are Phyllinos.
However, I also caught a Phyllinos under 14 sec under Chum. Meanwhile, Demogenys clearly can be caught between 15 and 20 sec. There is clearly an overlap though!!!!
If we slap the Iribainion, I really worry that we'll be missing a lot of Phyllinos.

[Caimie_Tsukino]

SNIP

I further tested more runs. It seems to me that although there are occasional times which we cannot distinguish the Demogenys and Phyllinos, most of the times they can be distinguished as you said. There are indeed some overlapping time around 10 sec (with Chum), but overall, most Demogenys are under 10 sec with Chum, while most Phyllinos are over 10 sec with Chum.
Meanwhile, Iribainion clearly is a pain in neck since it has a pretty long bite time but it appears very often.

Seems to me that, if I do want to clearly distinguish the Demos and the Phyllinos, I can slap the Demos. However, if we consider the matter of "CHANCES" overall, it is definitely more beneficial to slap the Iribainion, because it seems to me to appear very, very often (much higher chance then the Demos)... which would otherwise take away so much time during the window.

So far, I've had runs that got me nothing, but I've also had runs that gotten as many as 5 Phyllinos within a single window.

After all, fishing is super luck-dependent (yet people always complain about crafting being RNG-dependent whenever people can't craft anything at 100% rate... fishing clearly takes the RNG game to another level)... I guess, sometimes, it's not just about being able to distinguish two fish, but to overall increase the chances of catching the one we want.