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    Leoheart's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by LicontAshontear View Post
    lol...Acc rings [Do you have it?]
    Why use acc rings when you should be using Mog axe or Garuda's Scream?

    edit: Waste of a ring slot imo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leoheart View Post
    Why use acc rings when you should be using Mog axe or Garuda's Scream?

    edit: Waste of a ring slot imo
    Or new GC Axe. They have 20-30 accuracy and 20-30 atk or vit, with high damage and 40+ dps.


    Happy the thread is going well (random jerks aside). So many info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tano View Post
    Or new GC Axe. They have 20-30 accuracy and 20-30 atk or vit, with high damage and 40+ dps.
    This too, when the lieutenant rank is made available there is also the Serpent lieutenants axe also ^^
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    Worst gear for Blm/Thm, not one good piece.
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    I know that more damage/healing generates more enmity, but what you get from enmity modifier is far greater.

    Also STR increases WS damage more then ATK/VIT increases the AA damage, so it should generate more enmity.

    I go enmity -> acc -> str for tank, trying to cap vit (softcapped around 330-350 depending on weapon dps, so not really hard)
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    Last edited by Tano; 06-14-2012 at 11:00 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tano View Post
    I think DL gear is a little bit overestimated. Most (I'm saying it right now before you blast me: not all of them) of those pieces are just rare timesinking gear ppl wear just to appear cooler.
    Of course a few of those DL pieces are kida unique and useful, and difficult to replace with more "casual" (aka gc/materia/AF) gear, like HDL gloves with +45 enmity that is a rare stat on gloves (only militia set has +10 enmity on the same part, and they're not so much easier to get). But the truth is that most of them are useless (mage gear sucks, really, do you want to talk about Darklight Cowl?) or can be replaced greatly with GC combos (expecially with most of the new GC weapons we are going to get in 1.22c, that will require 4/5+ gc equips at the same time to activate their uberness), AF or melded gear (you can have with much less effort).

    Monk is a nice example to explain it better.

    Monk

    Darklight Corselet

    (the only DL equip on Monk that would have to be replaced by GC piece to reach 5 pieces bonus)
    Requires: MNK DRG BRD
    Defense 153
    Strength+20
    Accuracy+18
    Evasion-7
    Attack Power+10
    Critical Hit Attack Power+30
    Store TP+40

    vs Storm GC gear

    Storm Sergeant's Tabard

    Suits: All Classes
    Defense 158
    HP+60
    Strength+10
    Accuracy+5
    Attack Power+10
    Storm gear (3 or more pieces): Enmity-20

    + only combo bonus stats from other GC pieces:
    Earrings: Critical Hit Attack Power+7 (requires 4)
    Hose: Accuracy+10 (require 3, so earrings and bracelets, but earrings require body too)
    Bracelets: Strength+7 (like Hose)

    Storm Lieutenant's Hooks (1.22c):

    Damage 133 Delay 3.3 DPS 40.30 Blunt 100%
    Accuracy+20 Critical Hit Rating+5
    Storm gear (5 or more pieces): Attack Power+30
    (Very similar to Garuda's Talons, but with +30 Attack Power bonus)

    This gives the body (actually the 5th piece of the combo) those virtual total stats:
    Defense 158
    HP+60
    Strength+17
    Accuracy+15
    Attack Power+40
    Enmity-20
    Critical Hit Attack Power+7


    So far:
    5 more Defense,
    3 less Strength
    3 less Accuracy
    30 more Attack Power
    23 less CH Attack Power
    7 more Evasion

    Different stats
    Enmity -20 on GC set
    Store TP+40 on Darklight

    Something that with a blue name, and cooler appearance would be exhibited way more then a darklight piece.
    And, to be honest, you would never use those Storm Lieutenant's Hooks over a primal weapon if you don't have 5 pieces to activate the last stat, so I should have added more stats (like CH rating), but whatever, let's stick to the bonus only.

    However this is just a full GC gear versus 1 DL piece. Things are a little bit more complicated if you have a full DL set. But I really believe that a combination of GC, materia and AF is better then a full DL.
    Anyone notice he added all the combo stats to the body, but didn't for the pieces they'd be replacing...

    Like Explorers Earring (5 Attack). Triple melded Trousers (28STR) HQ Bracelet (4INT)

    Not to mention Garuda's weapon... sheesh...silly silly trolls

    No Store TP comparison? man...sounds like you're mad that you can't do speed run so you bash the hands down *best-in-slot* DL piece for Monk.

    Hmm..
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    Last edited by Geo; 06-14-2012 at 11:09 PM.

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    I have crunched numbers and enmity boosting is always going to win out in a gear comparison to a DPS slotted piece, of course if your target is mistress and you can keep hate with more DPS then your goal is more DPS to the point where you can just barely keep hate. When I run with my #1 DPS who can do 170+ on mistress I have to run max enmity setup to hold hate. When I run in pugs or with the lower tier DPS members in the shell maxing at 150dps I use my DPS-DL set on WAR.

    And no flanchard is better then sentinel legs/boots. sorry just plain wrong, see above for justification.
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    you can't actually compare 1 piece to one complete set

    Yes i agree DL Bracer is junk , Felt Bracer with 2 or more meld materias is better
    That's why we need a mix&match cloth for the stats

    as the OP give example about MNK
    IMO think it's good to use
    Head : DL Eyepatch / Silver Tricorne with 2 or more meld with int IV materia
    Body : DL Corselet / Rainmaker's Tunic with 2 or more meld with Savage Might IV
    Hand : AF / Felt Bracer with 2 or more meld with Heaven fist IV or Str IV
    Legs : AF / Felt Trouser with 2 or more meld with Ironman's will ( is it this one with Vit & Str stat) or Int set
    Feet : DL Caligae / AF

    Can't say that DL is best , it's upto the user choice of gear or set they prefer
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    Last edited by Mirana; 06-15-2012 at 07:10 PM.

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    i stopped reading when i realized you were comparing half a dozen items to one and calling the half dozen items combined better than the one.

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