Healer change request

[ForsakenRoe]

Bet you supported the griefing of tanks in ashpedolos 1.

Assuming you meant the adjust for Intemperance, no, I support the party doing the mechanic in a way that doesn't result in a damage down. At least, in week 3 onwards. The 'DD strat' I did suggest to the pug group I was running with as a potential strat to try (working off of one screenshot of each pattern, grabbed midpull) for a first clear, on day one. And in that context, not knowing the possibility of the Adjust strat existing, it's fine, if it gets the clear any dumb strat counts as 'valid'. Look at Brownie Lions from E12s. Looks horrendous to us who learned other strats, but hey it worked

I bet you can't clear p6s without tank lb.

Can clear without tank lb, do clear without tank lb, often skip cach2 entirely now because me and a cohealer combined will contribute 150% of the damage of one DPS class. Wild huh

Of course, you can always tell the healers in your team it's not their job to do damage. Just means you'll have to make up the 12k-ish DPS your group is now missing. That'd average out to 2k per player, and that includes the Tanks having to scrape up another 2k.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Bet you supported the griefing of tanks in ashpedolos 1.

I bet you can't clear p6s without tank lb.

[Niadissa]

don't feed the troll, clearly came in here looking for a fight, knowing what the general consensus is. Block him and move on, people like this are only looking for attention

[ForsakenRoe]

Yeh. Shame his 'looking for a fight' fell apart faster than a Stone Sky Sea dummy

[Iedarus]

Aw yeah! I can't wait to whack enemies with my book for 1 damage! Yoshi just makes this role better and better!

[Renathras]

This is a troll.

No one legitimately wants healer damage buttons entirely removed (wouldn't be able to clear the MSQ), and this is some kind of farce trying to establish that such people do, in fact, exist, when no healer in MMO history has not had at least one damage button.

What really gives it away is the second post, by the same OP, says or make them all like SGE where they do damage to heal - which is the exact opposite of the argument "healers shouldn't have to do damage".

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I do agree with the premise there are some people playing healer that do not heal in fights. I still remember an Innocence run in 5.0 where I was a healer and my co-healer was a WHM he only cast glare. I died because one of the DPS cleaved me with the sword line mechanic, and I had been solo healing. How do I know? I watched their cast bar Glare after Glare, typed in /party <se.2> Raise please? Heals please? and they ignored it, and party members dropped one by one since this person not only didn't Raise me, but refused to heal anyone, and then the tank died, then the other tank died, and then the healer died. Everyone left the instance and the PF lead kicked that healer before we picked up another and got the clear.

I'm not sure there are "refuse to even damage the enemy with Assize" healers in the game, but I know there are some "refuse to even cast an oGCD heal or to Raise" healers in the game. MOST will at least cast oGCD heals, but that guy was like dipping bird Glarespammer and I've never seen any others QUITE that bad. I've seen the SCH who didn't cast heals, but at least Eos was out and on the ball. And I've seen SGEs competently never cast a cure or raise because Kardia is amazing for that and they pretty much have to use their oGCD heals to not go OOM, so just doing those two things produces incidental healing and mitigation. WHM isn't built to not press a healing button. They don't have those tools.

While the troll IS right that people have griefed healers over not doing enough damage, the idea of removing all their damage buttons, even Glare and Holy, is just absurd.

[ForsakenRoe]

I still remember an Innocence run in 5.0 where I was a healer and my co-healer was a WHM he only cast glare.

Not gonna try and defend the guy cos Healer job is 1: keep party alive and 2: do damage when party is not in danger of dying, in that order. But, if it was 5.0, then Lilies were damage loss to cast, Misery only refunding 900 of the 1200 total potency cost of the 4 Glares lost to cast it. It's times like that where having a DPS meter and being able to openly mention parses would be nice. Not so people can bully, but so you can ask 'are you just gonna go for a good parse instead of doing your job' and if they say they're going for a parse, you can just kick them for having zero teamplay. Or better yet, kick them before even zoning in if you know they're only in it for an irrelevant number on an irrelevant 3rd party website, that will be rendered completely obsolete in 7-8 months when the next tier comes out

[Iedarus]

I do agree with the premise there are some people playing healer that do not heal in fights. I still remember an Innocence run in 5.0 where I was a healer and my co-healer was a WHM he only cast glare. I died because one of the DPS cleaved me with the sword line mechanic, and I had been solo healing. How do I know? I watched their cast bar Glare after Glare, typed in /party <se.2> Raise please? Heals please? and they ignored it, and party members dropped one by one since this person not only didn't Raise me, but refused to heal anyone, and then the tank died, then the other tank died, and then the healer died. Everyone left the instance and the PF lead kicked that healer before we picked up another and got the clear.

I will say, I have noticed a couple WHMs in my pugs where they won't use their heals at the right time. For example, when we would get hit with a heavy raidwide and I Fey Blessing into Whispering Dawn, I'm still looking at about 50% health for a while because I'm expecting my WHM to chip in with a rapture or at least an Asylum. This leaves me to burn an aether stack on indom. I try not to be elitist but when it's endgame content you should know when to use your aoe heals.

And then when I'm tanking I get the medica/cure spamming WHMs so yeah, WHMs are kind of a mixed bag. There are at least times where you will see a super clutch WHM.

[Semirhage]

I will say, I have noticed a couple WHMs in my pugs where they won't use their heals at the right time. For example, when we would get hit with a heavy raidwide and I Fey Blessing into Whispering Dawn, I'm still looking at about 50% health for a while because I'm expecting my WHM to chip in with a rapture or at least an Asylum. This leaves me to burn an aether stack on indom. I try not to be elitist but when it's endgame content you should know when to use your aoe heals.

And then when I'm tanking I get the medica/cure spamming WHMs so yeah, WHMs are kind of a mixed bag. There are at least times where you will see a super clutch WHM.

It's also pretty rough when you don't have voice chat. I know there were plenty of times where I saw the party take damage, thought "eh Assize is 10 seconds off and the next raidwide is 40 second away so I don't need to do anything......oh you're going to Aspected Helios? Okay then. I wasn't going to let them die but....okay."

[Iedarus]

It's also pretty rough when you don't have voice chat. I know there were plenty of times where I saw the party take damage, thought "eh Assize is 10 seconds off and the next raidwide is 40 second away so I don't need to do anything......oh you're going to Aspected Helios? Okay then. I wasn't going to let them die but....okay."

True. I do keep forgetting how heavily scripted the fights are. At this point my healing mindset is always accounting for mistakes especially if there's a tricky mechanic coming after the raidwide. I noticed significantly less wipes in party finder that way.