Healer change request

[NicoKirito]

Hi FFXIV, I am writing this on behalf of the raiding community. It has become the norm in this game where healers don't heal and instead worry about doing damage over healing the party especially in party finder. I have been on teams where white mages refused to use benediction after a tank buster and healers not sending out heals after aoes just went out. In fact these same type of people say that dps should use bloodbath or second wind so they don't have to send out heals.

This mentality is growing exponentially and streamers and communities such as the balance encourage this type of toxic behavior. Since it was mentioned a long time ago, can Square Enix please remove damage abilities from healers since their damage doesn't count towards the clear. (Re-watch the past live-letters so you can hear for yourself that healer dps doesn't count.) If the damage abilities are removed from healers then parties will experience less griefing from healers.

I would also like to note that I noticed the lack of healers in this expansion. Could this be due to having to heal.....I rest my case.

[NicoKirito]

You know maybe reworking all healers to work like sage where they dps and heal!

[ForsakenRoe]

On the assumption that this is a troll, the bait is could not possibly be more stale, but it looks like i'm hungry for stale-bait today

On the assumption that it's a genuine request, go look at the DPS required to clear any savage fight week 1. In fact, probably any EX trial at min ilvl too. Subtract the DPS contributed by both healers, and you soon realize that in order to make up for the 'no DPS from healers', the rest of the team has to be 75% or better. Mathematically speaking, the 'average group' (tank and DPS all 50% players) wouldn't be able to beat enrage. The only place where 'healer DPS is not needed to clear' is outgearing the hell out of content, or casual stuff like EX roulette, where you don't need the healer's HEALS, let alone their DPS, as you can just go WAR SMN X X and it works fine anyway. And with the changes to it in 6.3, I wouldn't be surprised if PLD now is able to do the same.

If you are genuine (god I hope not), go start a new character, pick CNJ, and don't cast any damage spells. You won't get past level 6 in the MSQ. The first solo instance as 'healer' forces you to throw some rocks, Yda and Pap don't target the adds that they call on you to handle (unless SE ninja hotfixed it). But even if they did, how would you level with no damage skills? Or is the suggestion that you have damage skills, but they don't work in non-solo content?

Reason there's less healers this expansion is, as discussed in many other threads, a combination of two factors. One, healing is less engaging, due to various complexities being removed from the kit. MP management, juggling several DOTs, weighing movement vs DPS loss (Ruin 2>ED vs Miasma 2), etc. Second is, because those complexities were removed, more 'fairweather' healers joined the role. The kind that would say 'I play healer to heal', and enjoyed the less focus on DPS that the first tier this expansion provided. When this tier offered a fairly unexpected step up in challenge, lots quit because they didn't actually want to deal with it. Both in terms of it requiring more DPS from them, and also more mit planning/HPS they couldn't keep up with.

SE kept the chicks in the nest for so long to protect them from the world, they never learned how to fly.

[NicoKirito]

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/327191

[ForsakenRoe]

You got anything from this decade? The thread is so old it's wearing Scaevan accessories as it's BIS. Also we've debunked that statement, many times, with math to back it up. If Y-P says he firmly believes that healers shouldn't have to DPS, and his stance has not changed since then, there's only two outcomes. One, he's referring only to casual content, as we've already seen many times there's no clearing higher end content without healer DPS. Alternatively, and this would be funny (and kinda sad) if it's true, he's so out of touch with not only the players but his own design team that he doesn't realize they're making content that DOES require healer DPS to clear.

edit: wait I thought it meant 'Media Tour while Stormblood was out' not 'Media Tour where Stormblood was demoed' that means it's wearing SHIRE accessories for it's BIS that makes it EVEN LESS RELEVANT

[NicoKirito]

Bet you supported the griefing of tanks in ashpedolos 1.

[SweetestLily]

Hi FFXIV, I am writing this on behalf of the raiding community. It has become the norm in this game where healers don't heal and instead worry about doing damage over healing the party especially in party finder. I have been on teams where white mages refused to use benediction after a tank buster and healers not sending out heals after aoes just went out. In fact these same type of people say that dps should use bloodbath or second wind so they don't have to send out heals.

This mentality is growing exponentially and streamers and communities such as the balance encourage this type of toxic behavior. Since it was mentioned a long time ago, can Square Enix please remove damage abilities from healers since their damage doesn't count towards the clear. (Re-watch the past live-letters so you can hear for yourself that healer dps doesn't count.) If the damage abilities are removed from healers then parties will experience less griefing from healers.

I would also like to note that I noticed the lack of healers in this expansion. Could this be due to having to heal.....I rest my case.

I assure you the raiding community would rather jump into the aetherial sea and never return rather than agree with any of the nonsense you just spouted here. Dont speak for us. We don't claim you.

[NicoKirito]

I bet you can't clear p6s without tank lb.

[SweetestLily]

I bet you can't clear p6s without tank lb.

I dont see cachexia 2 because me and my cohealer dps. See how that works?

[ForsakenRoe]

Bet you supported the griefing of tanks in ashpedolos 1.

Assuming you meant the adjust for Intemperance, no, I support the party doing the mechanic in a way that doesn't result in a damage down. At least, in week 3 onwards. The 'DD strat' I did suggest to the pug group I was running with as a potential strat to try (working off of one screenshot of each pattern, grabbed midpull) for a first clear, on day one. And in that context, not knowing the possibility of the Adjust strat existing, it's fine, if it gets the clear any dumb strat counts as 'valid'. Look at Brownie Lions from E12s. Looks horrendous to us who learned other strats, but hey it worked

I bet you can't clear p6s without tank lb.

Can clear without tank lb, do clear without tank lb, often skip cach2 entirely now because me and a cohealer combined will contribute 150% of the damage of one DPS class. Wild huh

Of course, you can always tell the healers in your team it's not their job to do damage. Just means you'll have to make up the 12k-ish DPS your group is now missing. That'd average out to 2k per player, and that includes the Tanks having to scrape up another 2k.