Ninja needs its knees broken

[Llynethil]

The amount of healing, stuns / leaps, pulls "crowed control" seems op compared to say dark knight and gunbreaker. Warriors and paladins are the only tanks that seem powerful to me. I don't see many good drk's at all. Let alone gun breakers.

They have decent self sustain, but they also use their own hp as a resource for 2 of their skills, which balances it out, only has one stun which is their leap and one pull.

They are great at trying to peel one person off someone, but drk can ensnare the entire enemy team and go invulnerable while having better healing, paladin can make a teammate invulnerable to damage every 25 seconds and can grant everyone around them 50% dr with their lb, as far as actual tanking goes, those 2 do it way better then war, but you get better burst damage with war if they can keep their hp high.

Gunbreaker is all about thir junctions, but they can put a pretty significant heal on teammates and do some great damage in dps junction for sure.

I guess it comes down to war is the most selfish of the tankjobs so they look very strong on their own and they are the hardest to shake off you, but as a teamplayer the other ones are a lot more valuable.

[Stasya]

The more I've been thinking about it, and while NIN is definitely the most egregious of those "screw you in particular" LBs, I'm starting to think that those single target nukes are problematic overall and never feel exceptionally good when you're on the receiving hand. Now then, you'll tell me, most of the other ones have counters and usually require some setup or skill to use properly, and I'd agree to an extent. For example you have the MNK one that on its own is fine but still only requires a 2 button mash to insta kill most of the squishies unless they have some form of good mitigation (and even then it's not always enough because you don't spend your time at 100% HP anyway). Or the SAM one that is avoidable or baitable, but at the same time impossible to dodge properly on AOE heavy jobs. I'd even put the MCH one in the ballot even though it's the most cumbersome one to pull off properly and you can defend against it better.

Somehow I wonder if that kind of design for LBs is really good for the fun of the game. Well I guess it's a fun source of dopamine for the player using them, sure.

Pvp in this game will never be serious untill all one hit lbs get removed. (well its like first step out of many)

[drtasteyummy]

ITT Ninja racism

[Hik3n]

I play as a Bard, Ninja is a better ranged character than any other ranged in the game, and they are balanced like a mele job, yes everything is alright with Ninja.

[KongouPrime]

People will always complain about NIN because they can't play against it and that shows when threads like this pop up almost everyday with people crying about the class being broken

NIN gets almost nerfed every patch because people complain about "oh no, NIN lb executes when you're below 50% HP" yet you got MNK for example that can straight up 1-shot everything that isn't a tank with 2 keys and people barely complain about it (when compared to NIN's case)

If you think the class is super broken like you say, play it and then you will see for yourself how you're wrong


TLDR; People who complain about NIN never played it and it shows

[Kansene]

People will always complain about NIN because they can't play against it and that shows when threads like this pop up almost everyday with people crying about the class being broken

NIN gets almost nerfed every patch because people complain about "oh no, NIN lb executes when you're below 50% HP" yet you got MNK for example that can straight up 1-shot everything that isn't a tank with 2 keys and people barely complain about it (when compared to NIN's case)

If you think the class is super broken like you say, play it and then you will see for yourself how you're wrong


TLDR; People who complain about NIN never played it and it shows

NIN is too durable in FL, otherwise fine imo. Never felt they were too strong or anything in CC.
I don't like insta-kill LBs, but I don't think they're necessarily OP, just distasteful.

[Towa-Musa]

People will always complain about NIN because they can't play against it and that shows when threads like this pop up almost everyday with people crying about the class being broken

NIN gets almost nerfed every patch because people complain about "oh no, NIN lb executes when you're below 50% HP" yet you got MNK for example that can straight up 1-shot everything that isn't a tank with 2 keys and people barely complain about it (when compared to NIN's case)

If you think the class is super broken like you say, play it and then you will see for yourself how you're wrong


TLDR; People who complain about NIN never played it and it shows

ninja is only OP in certain situations (I.E 5 or more people are low hp and unable to heal.)

[True-to-Caesar]

I didn’t know they had a shield and a heal on top of the base one. No wonder they’re not only hard to catch but hard to take down in FL. Meanwhile other jobs are struggling or get outshined by far.

They really need to properly balance the jobs, I find it hard to believe someone checked this and saif «Yup, massive offence, good defense, great mobility/escape, it’s balanced !».

Did SE fire QA staff?

People will always complain about NIN because they can't play against it and that shows when threads like this pop up almost everyday with people crying about the class being broken

NIN gets almost nerfed every patch because people complain about "oh no, NIN lb executes when you're below 50% HP" yet you got MNK for example that can straight up 1-shot everything that isn't a tank with 2 keys and people barely complain about it (when compared to NIN's case)

If you think the class is super broken like you say, play it and then you will see for yourself how you're wrong


TLDR; People who complain about NIN never played it and it shows

You shouldn’t need to play a job to understand how to counter it, to counter their escape you need a whole squad with CCs and able to quickly target again the ninja after they teleport. That alone shows there’s something wrong.

I also have never seen an «*execute*» move at 50% hp. It’s always been at least under 35% because otherwise it’s too easy and hardly could be called an «*execute move*» where the target is supposed to be close to death.

You shouldn’t have a very good offence with ranged and melee attacks AND good mobility/escape AND self sustain with a shield/heal. It’s called balance.

Talking about playing other jobs, have you played the others and saw how bad they compare with the departments I mentioned above ? Because your bias is showing way too much.

[Yukimin]

I played this garbage job for about 3 hours and in every match except the first I got 19+ kills consistently in Frontline. It takes no skill but again Frontline is a joke while jobs like Ninja and Dark Knight are allowed to be broken while casters and phys ranged get the shaft, and oh let's not forget about Samurai with a LB that you can easily counter, yet a lot of the community will cry to the heavens demanding it changed.
I agree with the OP though. Ninja should get it's knees broken because the amount of crap they can get away + the stupid melee 40% resist just make it even more of a joke.

[Bureda]

The lb is fine, it's the bloat of their kit that's the problem.

You can't have a job that has and strong melee damage, and strong ranged damage, and a pretty substantial shield, and hard cc, and an extra heal, and high mobility.

Imho, the heal and shield need to go, there's 0 reason for them to be there, you're supposed to be a get in, kill quickly, get out job, you don't need a shield that strong and more healing ontop of it, you're not a frontline melee job like sam or drg, you don't need it.

You don't need that level of defense on a high damage offensive character, it's just overkill and bad design.

Tell me you've never touched NIN without telling me you've never touched NIN.
So what you're saying is, you have an input on NIN, but you don't know what you're talking about. Ninja doing melee damage? Lol.