For those who struggle with group content

[Scintilla]

In the more recent pages, this thread isn't exactly portraying the community in a good light.

It's quite sad to hear of people who are convinced that playing with 'new' players in some content is a "waste of time" or that nervousness in group content = bad player. Having seen such attitudes in other toxic communities contributing to the death of the games, I'm very glad that (from my experience) such views are just those of a vocal few and aren't majority.

[Antharaes]

In the more recent pages, this thread isn't exactly portraying the community in a good light.

It's quite sad to hear of people who are convinced that playing with 'new' players in some content is a "waste of time" or that nervousness in group content = bad player. Having seen such attitudes in other toxic communities contributing to the death of the games, I'm very glad that (from my experience) such views are just those of a vocal few and aren't majority.

Sadly you have "Elitists" in every game. From personal experience, those are the bad players, because they can't adapt and then blame others. Think I got lucky with my duties, only had 1 rotten apple. The rest were nice, friendly, very patient players. As a relative new player, this was an abosolute breath of fresh air coming from WoW.

[TaleraRistain]

Part of that is most likely prospective or personal experience. If ppl have never played an MMO before 10 minutes may seem like a huge undertaking to repeat or redo. However if for example someone came here after playing FFXI where someone messing up in Dynamis resulted in all participants being unable to retry it until a week later immediately restarting a fight doesn't really seem like much unless the same person is messing up repeatedly because they're not learning from their mistakes.

I think this is a really good point to make. Fail to break into a plane in EQ and you weren't trying again for at least a week if you don't get beaten there next window by another guild. But here I can try again in only 10 minutes no matter how many others are working on it? Heck yeah, sign me up. So I do think previous experience can have something to do with tolerance levels of those who may be less than perfect at things.

[FireMage]

I've started to report all ppl like this.

This is a genuine discussion about people who feel overwhelmed by content.

Have some empathy!

Some things aren't worth empathy

Not that I would expect someone such as yourself to have the requisite critical thinking skills to actually decipher the meaning of the opening sentence of

In case you're still struggling the key thing you're failing to take into account is I don't touch

It's really nice though that proper reading comprehension still does elude you, then again, you are a troll so I wouldn't expect much different beyond a meaningless repetitive 1-trick pony monologue tirade.

That being said, it is also quite comedic to see your website stalking behavior doesn't change, as cringeworthy as it might be. Still stalking via a certain external website, I see.

It's not stalking when you give out the info on here t-cup. And what content you do, you do poorly in, which is even worse since none of it is difficult

[ZephyrMenodora]

In the more recent pages, this thread isn't exactly portraying the community in a good light.

It's quite sad to hear of people who are convinced that playing with 'new' players in some content is a "waste of time" or that nervousness in group content = bad player. Having seen such attitudes in other toxic communities contributing to the death of the games, I'm very glad that (from my experience) such views are just those of a vocal few and aren't majority.

I honestly love new players. One just wiped our world of darkness raid by picking up chains and not knowing what to do with them. Got a good chuckle out of it and was wholesome to see people teach the player what to do. What’s mundane to many of us is a new adventure for some.

[Kaurhz]

Some things aren't worth empathy



It's not stalking when you give out the info on here t-cup. And what content you do, you do poorly in, which is even worse since none of it is difficult

Fear of underperforming and an innate sense of anxiety is not always the case of it being in actuality, people can have that fear and anxiety, yet still perform to the baseline requirement, or even slightly above that, relatively speaking.

Furthermore, the act of griefing is relative to the average performance of the party - If the entire party is underperforming then no griefing is present since their performance will have been within a well-acceptable range. Whether they have or haven't is information you won't have unless you will have looked for it in the first place, and looking involves using external sources other than information presented in the thread.

Regardless of whatever weak rebuttal you elect to try to use - The fact remains you have done this prior and in no small amounts, most especially on the parsing thread, so it would stand to be a perfectly logical conclusion that you have done so in this thread too. But hey, you do you, and kudos if you have managed to actually convince yourself that you haven't.

[LaughingBanana]

I like to play in group content. I am a pretty laid-back kind of person though, if any of other people I'm playing it act or do anything that annoys me, I tend to just be whatever, it's not like that person is gonna be involved in my life beyond this Duty XD

I also tend to find people making mistakes as more amusing than annoying. Love to play with new players, I always make a mental note of giving them commends no matter how well they play (if they play good, even the more reason!), because I like to encourage the idea that the community of FFXIV is filled with people that welcome them.

[ZephyrMenodora]

I like to play in group content. I am a pretty laid-back kind of person though, if any of other people I'm playing it act or do anything that annoys me, I tend to just be whatever, it's not like that person is gonna be involved in my life beyond this Duty XD

I also tend to find people making mistakes as more amusing than annoying. Love to play with new players, I always make a mental note of giving them commends no matter how well they play (if they play good, even the more reason!), because I like to encourage the idea that the community of FFXIV is filled with people that welcome them.

I typically try to commend someone who got the first time achievement during the run myself, and for that same reason.

[Boa-Noah]

Personally what draws me in are the alliance raids and the MSQ, I hate doing raid content and savage/extreme don't tickle my pickle either, I'll do them if I feel like I want the glamor but as it is there's no appeal in them for the content itself, I don't get any sense of satisfaction from the difficulty or lack thereof in the content itself, which is why I really like the base game brainless alliance raids when I do my daily roulette. It's more just fun to run around in a big map doing my simple rotations and chatting, absolutely no stress or real difficulty, just some free time to do whatever I want with 0 impact on the other players, the newer alliances though have crammed in a boatload of mechanics and I just don't have nearly as much fun constantly running out of the way of damage cones while trying to launch some fireballs especially since manaward is now basically completely useless.

I know a lot of people really enjoy their difficulty for whatever reasons they do but I'm not about that at all, I want to look pretty in good gear and sling my spells in their simple little rotations while not giving a damn if I miss an explosion or two because of a DPS check.

Everything else in the game is pretty much always just an obstacle between me and what I actually enjoy doing.

[Amarande]

I think this is a really good point to make. Fail to break into a plane in EQ and you weren't trying again for at least a week if you don't get beaten there next window by another guild. But here I can try again in only 10 minutes no matter how many others are working on it? Heck yeah, sign me up. So I do think previous experience can have something to do with tolerance levels of those who may be less than perfect at things.

On the flip side, there used to be - not sure about EQ, because I missed that era of MMOs due to not having DOCSIS until 2004, so mostly stuck to Diablo II - more tolerance for failure among more players.

Heck, even Diablo II Hardcore players were often less risk averse, and that's a mode where dying literally means you have to start over with a brand new character.

Nowadays you can often try again in only 10 minutes, but even then, people are still fixated on getting everything right the first time to the detriment of the overall community. (And let's not even start with things where there's an actual cost to failure, or even to helping someone else who's on a different progression stage to you ... Horrific Visions had SO much potential, but the entry system utterly crippled it, especially when you were EXPECTED by the community there to have every possible upgrade or be passed over for someone who did)

It seems like it's a general malaise with modern humanity though, and I'm really not sure what triggered it so hard, as it seems to have gone into high and accelerated gear for a few years now. Fun and taking your time to be deprecated, in favor of squeezing everything possible out of everything possible, and settle for what might as well be dopamine injections instead of healthy enjoyment ...