Feeling Defeated

[Urthdigger]

I'd actually love longer lockouts and higher drop rates. There's plenty of events out there between dungeons, primals, and hamlets. And honestly, running through a whole bunch of different events would likely lead to less burning out than just spamming the same event all afternoon.

[Theplatter]

Didn't even bother to read the other posts in the thread just because, as always, I'm sure it's full of an equal amount of both white knighting and trolling. If not, then it will be soon enough.

Just wanted to say that I agree with you, OP. I'm really getting tired of it too. Honestly, with the way things are going I'm debating just ignoring the 1.23 content and waiting for 2.0. All of these RNG focused "challenges" are beyond overkill now. It just isn't fun. Been struggling to log in as of late because of it.

I'm right there with you. Don't worry, SE is still getting my money because I'm playing that "other online FF game", and enjoying playing all the classes that we won't be seeing for a while (if they make it at all). Hamlet's boring as hell, Casa Nova was fun the first night when the entire server raided it but has since lost that magic, and much as everyone bitched and griped about the Garuda exploit, at least people were doing it before the fix. Her cave is now gathering cobwebs, and even Uldah has gotten significantly less lagtastic from the lack of numbers logging in.

I'll still login occasionally to say hi to my LS and help out with a moogle run here and there, but 1.23 really doesn't excite me, so there's a very strong chance at this point that I won't be playing often until 2.0 finally rolls out.

[BlueMage]

You'll enjoy the game a lot more if you do content you like, and at a pace that feels fun, thinking of the rewards/items as a bonus. Don't make yourself suffer grinding content like a chore which you're only doing because you want a certain item from it ASAP.

[Alkar]

It'll be changed in 2.0. Yoshida pretty much said that they're planning to revamp everything then and that the low drops are simply there to keep us playing now. There is one team developing 2.0 and another following 1.x with Yoshida mostly focused on 2.0 for obvious reasons.

[Mortikhan]

My thoughts...

1) Keep the 30 min timer on Ifrit, Moogle and Garuda fights and any fights like it. Still have achievements for speed runs and stuff like that. Make the fight accessible in the same manner as i is now, 15 min cooldown for win and 5 min for loss. Raise drop rates based on wins as mentioned earlier in this thread.

2) Make dungeons longer by adding more content to them like NPC rescues, more bosses (maybe some mini bosses with lower drop rates on the same gear while the bigger end bosses have better drop rates), some puzzles or mini-games inside the dungeon that have different solutions to them each time. Extend the cooldown timer to one week -1 hour (for late comers). The biggest thing is to get those damn timers out of dungeons. Nothing ruins an (don't shoot me for using this word) immersive experience than being on the clock. Let people enjoy what they are doing. Let them think about what they are doing. Give them more things to do in an instance and they will explore it more thoroughly. Gear the achievements for dungeons toward completing objectives in the dungeon rather than clocking them with a stop watch so they miss the whole damn thing. An instance like a dungeon, a ruin or a beastman hold should be a 2-3 hour experience not a quickie in a bar bathroom.

[Grimwald]

They literally have to make this content last till 2.0, they are going to make it as grindy, and the most pain staking to keep you in the game as long as possible and to ensure continued subscriptions of players.

[Ventus]

Yes! This thread over and over as long as it takes for the development team to realize that after killing ifrit 25 times and doing the fight over 70 times (Lots of fails thanks to inexperienced PUG groups) I should at least have ONE weapon....

This game right now is one big stall for time. I resent this game when I realize it.

[KiriA500]

how about FFXI style 72hrs for every dungeon

FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY, NO!

People seem to forget that not everybody shares the exact same play schedule. If we had timers of 72 hours, and I run a dungeon on Friday with one of my Linkshells, that means I can't run it on Sunday with my other Linkshell.

Also, people need to understand how drop rates work. If they raise the drop rate, but increase the time it takes to enter, you could still go months without any items.

What should happen, is dungeons should have a system like we have with primals. You win the dungeon in under 20 minutes, 50% chance of a token dropping. Turn in X amount of tokens for the piece you want, as well as the items being available like they normally are.

[Payadopa]

While I think timers should remain as is (just because you can enter doesn't mean you must), I strongly disagree with encouraging people to do speedruns.

My first time in CC I was told to not fight anything. We basically just ran through. What is this? [run away!] Online? It's unbelieveable. It's called Disciple of War for a reason.

[SwordCoheir]

Agreed, speedruns shouldn't even be considered as a standard method for obtaining tokens, unless it's maybe a challenge method for obtaining MORE tokens than what you normally get that way even if you fail the speed run (or the dungeon for that matter) you can still get rewarded.

Likewise the drops that are being purchased with tokens should reflect a reasonable amount, and there should be purchasable bonuses that can increase your chances for success or failure.

IE:
Rewards:
Non-Boss chest item: 10 Tokens Each
Boss chest item: 20-25 Tokens Each
Hamlet Seals: 5 Tokens Each

Purchasable Bonus Effects:
10 Min Time Extension: 1 Token per extension (Up to 3 max)
Token Multipler (Increase Tokens gained, +5Lv to mobs): 1 Token per person per multiple (Up to 3 max)
Decreased mob Level (-5Lv): 2 Tokens per person per reduction (Up to 2-3 max)

Challenges to get tokens:

Dungeons:
Defeating Dungeon: +1 token
Beating Dungeon in under 20-30 Minutes: +1
Beating Princess before the Marshal: +1
Having Chimera get hit by 10 sandworms before he's defeated: +1
Defeat Miser Mistress before she returns to a sulfur pool three times: +1
Avoid 100-Tonze Swing 10 times before defeating Coin Counter: +1
Clear a dungeon of all monsters (excluding boss/mini-boss): +2
Clear a dungeon without opening any chests (excluding boss chests): +2

Hamlet:
Clear Hamlet defense: +1 token
Clear Hamlet without losing a cart: +1
Clear Hamlet without losing a militia soldier: +2
Defeat all enemies before defeating the leader: +1
Clear Hamlet without any pot boosts: +1 (per Hamlet Level)
Clear Hamlet without any pot enfeeblements: +1 (per Hamlet Level)


Throw these kinds of challenges out there and people should be able to make decent progress at their own preferred pace, as well as reward the overachievers who try to do as much as they can in the amount of time given. They by no means should be "easy" to obtain, however they should be realistic and fairly reasonable to do by the average 6-8 casual players and to give players a wide variety of options for obtaining them.