Feeling Defeated

[Delsus]

This one sounds pretty good at first, but then.. what does one do inbetween timers?

Depends how long a cooldown is added, how about FFXI style 72hrs for every dungeon, one a day decent drop rates and all content cleared in 2 weeks wondering what to do till the next patch?

SE need to keep players playing and right now with the slimmed down dev team working on 2.0 they can only work so fast and this is a way to pull content out, come 2.0 we shouldn't have this problem.

With how people are talking they want 15min cooldown all drops 100%, then what would you do till the next patch?

[TokyieRage]

Depends how long a cooldown is added, how about FFXI style 72hrs for every dungeon, one a day decent drop rates and all content cleared in 2 weeks wondering what to do till the next patch?

SE need to keep players playing and right now with the slimmed down dev team working on 2.0 they can only work so fast and this is a way to pull content out, come 2.0 we shouldn't have this problem.

With how people are talking they want 15min cooldown all drops 100%, then what would you do till the next patch?

It's not so much we want stuff given to us. In XI you could do dynamis, or limbus, sky, sea, etc. You had all these things you could do on a different day but at least that gave sort of a less repetitive feel. Where as in XIV you have to grind the same dungeon over and over and over for a very very slim chance at a piece of gear. Same with the primals, its just the same thing over and over and over. I don't want to spend my entire night doing Garuda for a small chance at a weapon.

It just doesn't seem "casual" player friendly to me.

[Delsus]

It's not so much we want stuff given to us. In XI you could do dynamis, or limbus, sky, sea, etc. You had all these things you could do on a different day but at least that gave sort of a less repetitive feel. Where as in XIV you have to grind the same dungeon over and over and over for a very very slim chance at a piece of gear. Same with the primals, its just the same thing over and over and over. I don't want to spend my entire night doing Garuda for a small chance at a weapon.

It just doesn't seem "casual" player friendly to me.

Heres a thing as well, people complain about drop rates now, what if they were doing CC or AV for one year before they got the gear they want, rather than after a few weeks or a couple of months, btw it took me one year to get my Wyrm Armet some people would wait that long for an Osode, Pimp Hat etc etc people would rage on here because of the drop rates not the overall cooldown.

[Onisake]

It's not so much we want stuff given to us. In XI you could do dynamis, or limbus, sky, sea, etc. You had all these things you could do on a different day but at least that gave sort of a less repetitive feel. Where as in XIV you have to grind the same dungeon over and over and over for a very very slim chance at a piece of gear. Same with the primals, its just the same thing over and over and over. I don't want to spend my entire night doing Garuda for a small chance at a weapon.

It just doesn't seem "casual" player friendly to me.

Casual content should be seperate. A casual player shouldn't be able to have access to everything at anytime. that makes the game too easy and boring. that's one reason i stopped playing SWTOR and never liked WoW. no challenge whatsoever.

having to work for the best gear is what makes it so rewarding. in XI i knew i'd never get Excaliber or Aegis for my pld. but i could still be incredibly competitive as a main tank with the gear available to me. 'god like' gear should be hard to get. if everyone has it, it's not very godlike anymore.

Casual players still have a lot they can do. crafting for one. which i've found fun and captivating. and it's not like casual players don't have access to the primal fights. it's possible to do those casually, but they shouldn't expect to have the same advantage as the hardcore players.

also, in 2.0, looks like we'll have a lot more customization for casual players. housing, chocobo raising, etc.

but back to the real meat of the issue:

to me its an attitude adjustment for the OP. i'm just coming back, but i always felt good when my group beat O/U or Kirin or completed a dynamis run. even when we didn't get a lot of gear. because the challenge was fun. sure we want gear, and for a lot of us that was our main goal. but if you're not feeling sufficient rewarded i'm guessing the primal fight itself isnt' difficult enough.

if i'm having fun, i dont' really care about lock-out timers or drop rates or w/e. i'm playing the game to have fun, not to get gear. if that was my only concern i'm better off playing D3. it doesnt' come with a subscription fee, and that's all you really do: grind for better gear.

[Answa]

I've never read a thread like this one before. Ever.

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[KiriA500]

how about FFXI style 72hrs for every dungeon

FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY, NO!

People seem to forget that not everybody shares the exact same play schedule. If we had timers of 72 hours, and I run a dungeon on Friday with one of my Linkshells, that means I can't run it on Sunday with my other Linkshell.

Also, people need to understand how drop rates work. If they raise the drop rate, but increase the time it takes to enter, you could still go months without any items.

What should happen, is dungeons should have a system like we have with primals. You win the dungeon in under 20 minutes, 50% chance of a token dropping. Turn in X amount of tokens for the piece you want, as well as the items being available like they normally are.

[TokyieRage]

They said they are playing alot of western style games, like WoW and SWTOR. So cross your fingers for guarnteed drop rates of different items for different classes. I mean damn, sky and sea wasnt even as bad as getting DL. Reminds of Dynamis before they raised drop rates. /cry

[SwordCoheir]

They said they are playing alot of western style games, like WoW and SWTOR. So cross your fingers for guarnteed drop rates of different items for different classes. I mean damn, sky and sea wasnt even as bad as getting DL.

In one of his E3 interviews Yoshi said he was looking into implementing some token type system in 2.0 to allow players to be able to purchase necessary items or equipment so players will make progress regardless of how unlucky they may be. Hopefully that will be the cause with all events so players who are very unfortunate will eventually see the rewards of their labor.

BTW, I believe getting Wyrmal Leg Abjurations from Kirin was even worse than DL armor drop rates. :P

[DeadRiser]

I don't want guaranteed, 100% drop rates. I honestly don't think anyone does. I don't mind grinding some content out. I just want to feel rewarded like others do. Tired of doing speed runs on AV/CC 100 times when someone can get one peice on their third run. Don't even start with Relics lol

Garuda was PERFECT example. Only reason it is dead now is because the people that decided they wanted to keep doing the exploit when Yoshi said it was "ok". Stupid people kiling their own content... THEY SCREAMED for a challenge and now that they got it, they went with the exploit way. Pathetic. Anyways, back on topic....

[Noir]

I don't want guaranteed, 100% drop rates. I honestly don't think anyone does. I don't mind grinding some content out. I just want to feel rewarded like others do. Tired of doing speed runs on AV/CC 100 times when someone can get one peice on their third run. Don't even start with Relics lol

Garuda was PERFECT example. Only reason it is dead now is because the people that decided they wanted to keep doing the exploit when Yoshi said it was "ok". Stupid people kiling their own content... THEY SCREAMED for a challenge and now that they got it, they went with the exploit way. Pathetic. Anyways, back on topic....

Don't blame the ppl that got garuda weapons before patch. Blame the whiners that bichted about it. It happened what I said it would happen. The noobs can't get a group and win it. And the good ls got them and still keep getting it now. You guys have to understand that good ls will always get everything. Easy or har way. The pick up groups had a chance before patch. Now deal with it. Think before bitching about non existent "exploits".