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    Rein_eon_Osborne's Avatar
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    In that perfect, disillusioned world existing in my head where we would have two different fairies with their own abilities, Dissipation would be a button SCH press to swap their currently summoned fairy for the one in reserve without resorting in pressing Summon Eos/Selene + additional effects. But alas, we're in real world. :sob:

    ... Maybe I should really finish writing my copium rambling ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    In that perfect, disillusioned world existing in my head where we would have two different fairies with their own abilities, Dissipation would be a button SCH press to swap their currently summoned fairy for the one in reserve without resorting in pressing Summon Eos/Selene + additional effects. But alas, we're in real world. :sob:

    ... Maybe I should really finish writing my copium rambling ...
    I've 100% been on board with the Dissipation swapping the fairy and having two distinct ones for a while!
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
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    Connor Whelan
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    The least they could do is change the healing boost to all actions instead of healing potency so it affects Aetherflow healing (or does it? I’m doubting myself now). You know, the ability-based healing you’re presumably supposed to be following Dissipation with lol. Honestly I’d take them just straight up replacing it with something better; it doesn’t really make much sense for Scholars to eat the main thing that makes them unique lol
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    Last edited by Connor; 01-19-2023 at 10:53 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Connor View Post
    The least they could do is change the healing boost to all actions instead of healing potency so it affects Aetherflow healing (or does it? I’m doubting myself now). You know, the ability-based healing you’re presumably supposed to be following Dissipation with lol. Honestly I’d take them just straight up replacing it with something better; it doesn’t really make much sense for Scholars to eat the main thing that makes them unique lol
    You're correct.

    Healing Spells/Magic = GCD only
    Healing Abilities = any and all healing

    Dissipation only boosts Healing Spells. That's one of the MANY problems with it. It gives you Aetherflow supposedly to use for emergency healing, but doesn't boost the potency of Aetherflow heals. Because it dismisses Eos, you're out her passive heals and out the SCH faerie orders (like Whispering Dawn) heals, and you also don't get Faerie Gauge buildup since Eos isn't present. The spells it DOES boost have no interaction with Aetherflow or Eos/Selene, meaning there's no point for the ability to give you AF or cost you Eos in the first place.

    A 3 min CD that boosts Physic(lol)/Adlo/Succor by 20% and gives you 3 AF stacks at the cost of all Eos healing and using any Eos abilities (or Seraph) or generating any Faerie Gauge by using those AF abilities while it's in effect.
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    Esther Harper
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    My main gripe with Dissipation is that it's simply outdated.
    It's actually fairly good in UwU, you GCD heal more often and 20% on those is good. The additional AF is also good since you use AF heals far more often. Losing your fairy for 30s is not as big of a loss as currently since you only have Whispering Dawn on 60s and Fey Illumination on 120s and Aetherpact. No Fey Blessing, no Seraph, no Recit for free crit Indoms, more limited toolkit in general.
    Which makes it easy enough to use to take full advantage of everything without any downsides whatsoever.

    But several expansions later, 30s lockout turns into a major problem because we have 2 more fairy skills, we barely if ever GCD heal, we even trim down AF heals to the bare minimum or even full ED spam.
    Spreadlo is usually a waste of GCDs outside of transitions when you don't have a target anyway, so no point in megabuffing a shield when you can just press Whispering Dawn afterwards.
    There's also the problem that it resets your fairy placement which is a major pain in the butt.

    So if they lowered the lockout, let it affect oGCDs as well, let any AF spent count for the gauge and simply made the fairy phase out at its spot so you can't use fairy skills but stays in place, I'd be fine with it. I'm not opposed to being taxed in some way, SCH is the last healer that has to think a bit more when to use heals instead of just churning out free heals all day so I'd prefer it to stay that way. Besides, it's still ahead in dps even with the taxt so it's not like it doesn't have a spot because of this tax.

    But if they could rework it to something more interesting like resetting/ lowering other fairy skill cooldowns or make it more flexible with a lower cooldown and adjusted stats, I'd be all for it. As long as it's a button you have to think about carefully when to use it because it could backfire if used poorly and not just another "just press it lol" button that makes HP bars move to the right. We have enough of those. I like Roe's idea of dividing all stats by 3, more flexible cooldowns suit the newer encounter design better in general.

    And for god's sake, just make the fairy reappear after death already instead of us having to waste another GCD before we can even nom nom nom it for AFs.
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    Last edited by Rilifane; 01-19-2023 at 09:36 PM.

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    I guess they like the sacrifice aspect of it but it's the only healer to be actively punished for using their emergency button.

    It's kind of like when DRK was the only punished for using their invulnerablity.

    I always thought back in SB (when Selena was different and unique) instead of locking you out, it would summon the other fairy while the other is on CD and swap back out if with oGCD if you want Eos back in when the CD ends.

    That way you could have easily had a fairy out to use Whispering Dawn/Embrace/Fey Blessing/Union/Summon Seraph. But still "punish" you by not having access to the other for a CD.

    But seeing as Selene and Eos are the same these days.....they might as well just add replace it with something else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elioaiko View Post
    I guess they like the sacrifice aspect of it but it's the only healer to be actively punished for using their emergency button.
    This is honestly a pretty good point. Imagine if...

    WHM - Temperance does what it does today, but you couldn't cast any Lily or GCD heal for the duration?
    AST - Using Collective locked you into the animation (like BLU with Diamondback) and you couldn't use any Cards for 15 seconds after it was done?
    SGE - For the duration of Panhaima (or Holos), you can't use any Addersgall abilitis or any of your oGCDs that generates a shield or barrier (Haima, the other of Panhaima or Holos, and anything ending in -chole)?

    SCH has to make this decision - give up all Faerie abilities and even Seraph for 30 seconds.
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    Noah Orih
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
    This is honestly a pretty good point. Imagine if...

    WHM - Temperance does what it does today, but you couldn't cast any Lily or GCD heal for the duration?
    AST - Using Collective locked you into the animation (like BLU with Diamondback) and you couldn't use any Cards for 15 seconds after it was done?
    SGE - For the duration of Panhaima (or Holos), you can't use any Addersgall abilitis or any of your oGCDs that generates a shield or barrier (Haima, the other of Panhaima or Holos, and anything ending in -chole)?

    SCH has to make this decision - give up all Faerie abilities and even Seraph for 30 seconds.
    For SGE I'd say it's more like Rhizomata causes your GCD heals to grant 1 Addersgall for 30 seconds, but disables Kardia healing for 30 seconds on a 180 second cooldown for 2 expansions. Then in 9.0, it now gives you 3 Addersting upon use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    They don't know what to do with DRK or SCH. At this point I'd say nix the AST/DRG reworks and focus on DRK/SCH. At this point DRK needs a number of changes to where it feels good to play and survive on. SCH...it's time to retire Aetherflow and make the Fairy gauge the main healing gauge, since that allows them to change a large number of healing skills and abilities to fit it. It also allows Dissipation to be changed into something good, like a gauge dump. We can just make Energy Drain an oGCD with 2 charges (40s cooldown per charge) that gets you MP and gauge per use.
    Hmm, something like the gauge caps at 100, but every embrace gives you 5 gauge since it cast every 3 secs? They may have to adjust the cost so yeah. Makes dissipation restore the gauge cost, but buffs the potencies of said abilities of the SCH kit for that 30 sec.
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    Dissipation definitely has problems. It doesn't mesh well with the kit, doesn't facilitate choice, etc. I have yet to see a solution for it that isn't just "and here's why the most powerful healer in the game needs to be made even more powerful".
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