Is PLD actually weaker than before?

[Eliroth-Kaminari]

Well lets say this way:
Pre rework: pld aDPS was 500 dps lower then counterparts. that is 500 DPS missing in end no mather will it end up on dancer dps or stays on tanks but that was that 500dps that was missing in clearing first week savage. even if rdps on pld was equal to other tanks.
post rework pld is 100-200 adps bihind what is alot betther in that sense that there is less reason to gatekeep pld because it dont contribute enogh in killing boss.

Dont forget that pld new defensive and divine vail change adds 2 useful mitigation to pld kit(yes i think old veil was useless)/yes passage is not as useful then gimic and cover and shield counter is waste of space in skillbar but atleast we go right direction here.

In additionally pld Shelton/intervention is free and i think one fastest regenerating one so pld is tanky it self and it can add +1 mitigation/yes other tanks can share mitigation aswell but they share cooldown for they own midigation/ on off tank now that Sqenx love double busters so much it is useful.

in rotation part i like new one more even if old one felt braindead simple for me new one is nothing impossible to learn (yes 2 dropped atonement is sad)<- sqenix might improve that in 7.0 or some point but core rotation is simple (tho it reminds me gnb issue abit because for some stupid reason my ogcd skills colide whit tankbuster timenigs more then i like )

[Mikey_R]

in rotation part i like new one more even if old one felt braindead simple for me new one is nothing impossible to learn (yes 2 dropped atonement is sad)

You do NOT need to drop atonements for optimal damage. You can do whatever you want in the extra 3 GCDs in FoF and it makes no difference (assuming you follow the priority, which assumes NO setup when going into FoF).

[Absurdity]

You do NOT need to drop atonements for optimal damage. You can do whatever you want in the extra 3 GCDs in FoF and it makes no difference (assuming you follow the priority, which assumes NO setup when going into FoF).

I'll just post the balance graphic, maybe people will get it then.

[Cabalabob]

I'll just post the balance graphic, maybe people will get it then.

Looks like someone glanced at PLD skills and just threw something barebones together to come up with that. You can get 2 DM holy spirits into the FoF window after the opener if you set up properly and you can start FoF a GCD earlier than that opener since royal and atonement have the same potency.

If you just start the rotation and use whatever is available you could be missing out on almost an entire atonement’s worth of potency in your FoF window every rotation.

[Absurdity]

Looks like someone glanced at PLD skills and just threw something barebones together to come up with that. You can get 2 DM holy spirits into the FoF window after the opener if you set up properly and you can start FoF a GCD earlier than that opener since royal and atonement have the same potency.

If you just start the rotation and use whatever is available you could be missing out on almost an entire atonement’s worth of potency in your FoF window every rotation.

The first thing it tells you is to use DM Holy Spirit before your next Royal Authority, they basically just expect you to think for yourself and figure out that you can go into FoF with Holy Spirit and your combo on Royal, do your Confiteor combo and have 3 GCDs left to do HS -> RA -> HS under FoF.

As for why you use FoF after Royal Authority should be pretty obvious, to catch raid buffs. Battle Litany, Battle Voice, Embolden, Chain Stratagem, Divination and I believe Technical Step don't go out until after the 3rd GCD.

[Hanayumi]

Folks expected them to hit the nail dead on in 1 go? Yall know better, they always tweek things constantly...

[Absurdity]

Folks expected them to hit the nail dead on in 1 go? Yall know better, they always tweek things constantly...

I mean sure, they've been tweaking warrior constantly since 4.2, and managed to make it even worse every time.

[Cabalabob]

So basically we’re looking at another dragon kick monk/paradox mage scenario where it just doesn’t matter what you do you’ll hit the same number.

[Absurdity]

Well, if you're keeping Divine Might until right before the next Royal Authority instead of spending it immediately you should have at least 1 buffed Holy Spirit for every FoF window, so your worst filler would be HS(+DM) - Fast - Riot: 930 base (1.162 under FoF).


Although I still need to test what happens if you were to replace Fast & Riot Blade in your filler with 2 unbuffed HS instead (for a 275 potency gain) because that changes which fillers you have available in later burst windows.

[Mikey_R]

The thing is, you cannot just look at PLD's burst phase and go based on that, that was the original misconception which lead to the 2 Divine Holy Spirits per FoF window, as that was the highest damage. You also have to look at the rest of the rotation as dropping Atonements is wasting potential damage and if you delay your combo with Holy Spirits, you delay atonements, which could mean lower damage potential compared to just following the priority system.

This does, of course, assume 100% uptime on a boss and if you do disconnect for any length of time, either Divine Holy Spirit or a hardcast Holy Spirit is going to be optimal, just because you are keeping damage up where you otherwise wouldn't.