Stricter requirements for Mentors.

[DixieBellOCE]

My argument is that somebody who does not participate in Endgame Activities is arguably, not suitable to be 'Mentoring' new players, and is most likely going to give out false information.

To become a mentor, and to help newer players grow into better players overall, you should at least have a clear understanding of the combat or crafting side of the game.

Some basic ideas below, to make becoming and keeping a mentor status more strict.

Trade Mentor:
1. Completion of all current Gathering Nodes and Crafting Recipes per patch release (Yes, that means Expert crafting and Timed nodes too!)


Battle Mentor:
1. Completion of all current Extreme Trials per patch basis. (Yes, you lose your crown until you complete the latest trial on extreme)

2. Completion of at least ONE current Raid Tier on Savage as of the X.1 Patch of an expansion. (Your previous crown will last until the release of the first raid in the expansion).

3. 100 PvP Victories in Crystaline Conflict

Full Mentor:
1. All of the Above.

2. No prior warnings/actions taken against their square enix account by support.

Having much stricter requirements will easily weed out the Mentors that only have the crown as a collectable item, and clean up things like Expert Roulette for newer players, having only mentors that actually know what they are doing, playing in those activities.

Obviously these are extreme values, and not actual requirements, but so far the discussion has been good and there has been a legitimate reply with a much better mentor system that has been currently implemented.

I wrote up a hypothetical mentor system re-work for a thread literally two years ago, and honestly it somehow still pretty much encompasses every recommendation/suggestion I'd make in a thread like this...

[Kolaina]

That just sounds ridiculous. Every node and recipe…. Completely unnecessary.

Current extremes. There’s progression parties in party finder for those. Not necessarily available for former extremes where a mentor may be more of a necessity or at least if some use.

[VelKallor]

My argument is that somebody who does not participate in Endgame Activities is arguably, not suitable to be 'Mentoring' new players, and is most likely going to give out false information.

FF 14 isnt WOW, FF 14 isnt raid centric, and quite frankly your idea FORCES people into pvp.

BTW 100 victories can take up to 400 matches...this is not only unreasonable, its idiotic.

A FLAT NO.

[Mika_Zahard]

FF 14 isnt WOW, FF 14 isnt raid centric, and quite frankly your idea FORCES people into pvp.

BTW 100 victories can take up to 400 matches...this is not only unreasonable, its idiotic.

A FLAT NO.

Its just a Dixie Bell thread, ignore it and move on.

[Hasrat]

I'm on the other end. I don't quite understand why you need to have completed any end-game requirements to help and mentor players that won't be seeing any of that content for several months, if they're quick.

Once I pivot around to completing all of my Zodiac weapons, I'll have done, I think, pretty much everything ARR has to offer (aside from PVP). Why should I be disqualified from helping out new players which all start out in ARR?

I don't actually have any desire for the mentor crown. But, on some level, it does seem kinda strange to keep moving the requirements further and further from new players. Would be curious to know how many current mentors even remember their new player experience..

[Magikazam]

Once I pivot around to completing all of my Zodiac weapons, I'll have done, I think, pretty much everything ARR has to offer (aside from PVP). Why should I be disqualified from helping out new players which all start out in ARR?

Cause sprout are considered sprout until the end of SHB. Tbh I kinda agree with OP that we need stricter requirement (Although the one op give are kinda ridiculous). I've seen a couple of mentor die repetitively on normal dungeon mechanic that weren't party wipe. From my experience on the NN whenever you ask something you often get false info or get tell to go check online. Hell, I've seen a mentor tell people to use Eureka to level their class from 60 to 70.

[Vahlnir]

I've seen a couple of mentor die repetitively on normal dungeon mechanic that weren't party wipe.

To be fair, even the best of mentors are never going to be perfect, and anyone who claims to be is a liar. We are all human, therefore imperfect. They could have been distracted or just having a bad day or run. Those things happen to everyone. It's also possible, and perhaps likely, that they aren't as skilled as other people (maybe they should be, but being a Mentor is about help and being polite about it, not always skill). Regardless, yeah, some people should not be mentors for many reasons, but not every mentor is going to be skilled in every capacity, and certainly not all the time. Their strengths might lie in knowledge, for example, instead of various pieces of content. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that people shouldn't always judge a mentor just because they had a bad dungeon/raid clear. Now if they were a jerk about it, sure, judge them all you like. lol That is something a mentor is not supposed to be.

[kevin_satron]

might as well add mentor for each job

[VelKallor]

Oh and Dixie, before you start setting 'qualifications", Ill just draw your attention to the merits..or lack thereof..of CURRENT NA mentors who, when asked a question, responded with "Google it". If THAT is the calibre of your current mentors, then you got MUCH bigger problems.

THAT happened to a sprout three days ago. They were..unimpressed.

"Google it" is NOT an answer any new player should receive..so with all honesty, maybe what you might want to do beforehand is to make sure that the people who are mentors are suited to BE mentors in the first place?

Having done all of that doesnt mean they can teach, or will be willing to teach, or are suited in any way to help new players..

[Jeeqbit]

Oh and Dixie, before you start setting 'qualifications", Ill just draw your attention to the merits..or lack thereof..of CURRENT NA mentors who, when asked a question, responded with "Google it". If THAT is the calibre of your current mentors,[I] then you got MUCH bigger problems.

Again, I think this is more often trade mentors who often don't have enough experience to be acting as a battle mentor. They often google answers because they don't know them themselves, or quote the balance word-for-word instead of using their own knowledge and experience.

I agree with you that Google is not the answer, because it often comes up with conflicting, outdated or confusing answers. They might not be confusing to those of us who understand the game and all of the acronyms, but to a new player, they don't know which result to click or what to trust, or the answers are filled with acronyms and references they don't yet understand.

When we talk to a new player we do have to explain what an FC is, what DF is, what PF means and remember that from their perspective, they probably don't know what all these things are.