Just an idea; new "Clans" for each existing race

[Atelier-Bagur]

If Hrothgar are going to get any kind of new clan, it should be something that looks more like the Ronso they were based on. Taller and a bit leaner, with more pronounced horns and no inexplicably bad posture.

I can't stand Hrothgar as they are now, but a variant that is just Ronso ported over? Yeah, that I'd be cool with.

Also, survey will definitely accept Garlean as a Hyur clan option. >_>

Ronso from FFX should've been a direct translation to FFXIV's Hrothgar. They're giant, they're atheletic and definitely their posture are infinitely better than the sad excuses we have in the game. Also their faces would look much better, never liked how they modeled some of the Hroth face types. One of them I swear feels like an Oblivion Khajiit

[Absimiliard]

Ronso from FFX should've been a direct translation to FFXIV's Hrothgar. They're giant, they're atheletic and definitely their posture are infinitely better than the sad excuses we have in the game. Also their faces would look much better, never liked how they modeled some of the Hroth face types. One of them I swear feels like an Oblivion Khajiit

[Terin]

For the record, I'm also totally on board with Hrothgar getting more of a FFX Ronzo "look" to them. I feel like that would be more appropriate for "The Lost" clan, given it sure seems like they're supposed to be that.

As far as there being any kind of issue with them having both canine and feline "counterparts", you could totally chalk those differences up to being distant cousins. All playable races are theoretically descended from the Ancients, so it's unlikely the Hrothgar are SPECIFICALLY related to cats anyways, so some appearing more canine would surely make just as much sense.

Beyond that, I'd probably give them proper "fur" to cover their whole bodies, not just their shoulders and forearms. Maybe longer, more wild-looking braids and whatnot for their "hair", or even just mohawks, but just more savage-looking in general?

[Terin]

Standing by my original statement.

I really love their general stature and animations (save for their standing animation being *so* uptight), but it would definitely be nice to not have to worry about their horns and tail throwing off their look.

It's why I feel kind of "stuck" using the Xaela, because the Raen's ivory-colored tail and horns don't quite mesh with a lot of the darker-looking armor. But at the same time, I wish my character could have a brighter, warmer skin-tone for use with those more "casual/modern" outfits.

I love the Raen options in general (skin tones, plus the brighter eye colors), but like I said, they just kinda ruin the look when paired with darker sets.

I probably wouldn't mind having sharper jaw options, though. It's hard to tell because of the scales, but their jawlines do seem like they're kind of soft.

[Shougun]

Back during the allied race fever thought it might be cool to have wild clans for each race. Like Au Ra getting the demonic looking concept art, miqote getting fuzzy mithra treatment, lalafell getting those small moogle-kin look or vivi (mammet/yuke like), Viera might get like lions rabbit, etc. Hroth wild clans could just be a more direct translation of FFX lol.

The Au Ra concept art was always really cool..

[CelestiCer]

Don't care much for new Clans vs upgrading existing once with more

• More Eyes/Face options
• Obtainable Hairstyles
• Facial Hair options
• Tail and Ear options

Then they also need to fix most hat options for Vierra / Hrothgar. Make female Hrothgar race, there's just a lot more that probably needs to be done before... Clans.

[ty_taurus]

Anything that involves new character models, like a "highlander" version of other races is very likely never going to happen again. It's been said before that adding races is an exponential challenge because that exacerbates the amount of animation work needed for nearly everything in the game, and animation is the most expensive and time-consuming aspect of video game design. It's not impossible that they can change their mind later down the line, but I would not place any bets on getting anything else in that regard.

That said, having alternative clans that do not change animations or have an effect on clothing are certainly more plausible, like half-Elezen Hyurs like Hilda, and I think having more mixed race options like that in which the base model does not change could be a cool thing to see, though there are still some limits as to what races you could have mixed characters from that wouldn't involve changing the base character model. I wouldn't hold my breath on anything like half-Lalafell, half-Hrothgar, half-Roe, or probably half-Viera. Miqo'te, you might be able to get away with something like Hyurs with Miqo'te facial markings or noses, but the tails and ears are probably a no-go.

[rainichan]

Anything that involves new character models, like a "highlander" version of other races is very likely never going to happen again. It's been said before that adding races is an exponential challenge because that exacerbates the amount of animation work needed for nearly everything in the game, and animation is the most expensive and time-consuming aspect of video game design. It's not impossible that they can change their mind later down the line, but I would not place any bets on getting anything else in that regard.

That said, having alternative clans that do not change animations or have an effect on clothing are certainly more plausible, like half-Elezen Hyurs like Hilda, and I think having more mixed race options like that in which the base model does not change could be a cool thing to see, though there are still some limits as to what races you could have mixed characters from that wouldn't involve changing the base character model. I wouldn't hold my breath on anything like half-Lalafell, half-Hrothgar, half-Roe, or probably half-Viera. Miqo'te, you might be able to get away with something like Hyurs with Miqo'te facial markings or noses, but the tails and ears are probably a no-go.

Clans wouldn't be changing anything. The only differences are entirely cosmetic: look at Raen and Xaela auri: the only difference is the scale colour and what skintones are available. There are very little differences in some other aspects of character creation, like the ear clasps on elezens, but most of those changes are entirely cosmetic and wouldn't require new skeletons. The most the devs may need to do for, say, Garlean hyurs, would be to port human ears on to elezen bones, which they've already done. It's not a huge undertaking for them to do that compared to an entirely new race with gear that needs to fit correctly - all of that has already been done. As it stands EW gave regular, non-tall Garleans as well, they're just midlander hyur that have the third eye. Add in some minor customization for a third eye on midlanders, maybe highlanders, and bam, you have the third 'clan'. Give the option to be super tall with the elezen bodyset, and that'd be even better. Nothing would change since all of those already exist.

There's plenty they can do without needing to create new racial skeletons since all of the clans are the same base type, just different customizations. I'm hoping in the future they update some of the older animation sets since they look clunky compared to some of the newer ones, but that's a future thing, not a need now thing (for me, personally).

[Terin]

@rainichan:

Exactly what I'm saying. I think this would be a nice middle-ground, where we still get "new" options, but without a ton of dev time.

I'd like to maybe see a slightly more relaxed standing animation for the Xaela (or even just the new clan), but otherwise mostly sticking in line with what we already have. Some new Face options might be great, as well.

[rainichan]

@rainichan:

Exactly what I'm saying. I think this would be a nice middle-ground, where we still get "new" options, but without a ton of dev time.

I'd like to maybe see a slightly more relaxed standing animation for the Xaela (or even just the new clan), but otherwise mostly sticking in line with what we already have. Some new Face options might be great, as well.

I've been wanting this for so long lol. Like, yeah, this character creator was very robust for 2013, and it was even better than the 1.0 one. But now compared to even mobile games, it definitely needs some work on it. Third clans have been mentioned in some things iirc, so it's not hard to imagine them going "here's MORE cool stuff for you with some cool lore". I'm holding out for this at Fanfest, but we'll see what we get.